Hasselblad hot shoe vs profot air and other triggers

[orc73]

Hi

I was in a shop recently and wanted to try the profoto b1 500.  The guys working there had no idea (yes I would go to a shop with better staff, if there would be in Bangkok).
They only offered the option to trigger with the Profot air (canon): this thing does not even fit on my H4d-40!
It should at least work in M(no they don't make a Hassy version).
Now is the profot design so stupid or the Hasselblad? Usually I do have problem with Triggers and 3rd party flashes, that they do not fit nicely onto the HB shoe.
How about Pocket Wizard?
How would you recommend to trigger?

Thanks

[gazwas]

You'll need with the standard Air Sync or Air Remote, the latter offering control of the light power settings, modelling etc but offer dumb sync only. Canon and Nikon (with special AirTTL Remote) are the only cameras that get the TTL functions of the B1.

[orc73]

Thanks for your reply. The question was not about getting TTL.
The question was if the Trigger would physically fit on the Hasselblad.
As Hotshoes are pretty standard usually, I do not think Profot will make a different hot shoes for all their Triggers depending on the camera.
So chances are quite hight they also have the same size in the non specific version.
That's why the question.

[gazwas]

Like I said, you need the standard Air Sync or Air Remote controller. Canon and Nikon have a dedicated controller that offer TTL with the B1 so have specific fittings for their hot shoes.

[Chris Barrett]

I can't imagine why that would not fit.  Hotshoes are a pretty universal standard.  I have a couple Air Remotes and have mounted them on my 5d2, A7r, Phase 1 body, a custom hot shoe Arca made for my Rm3d and a stick on plastic hot shoe I have adhered to the side of my M2.  I've never had a problem fitting the Air Remote onto any camera... though I've never shot H series 'Blads.

[orc73]

Yes Chris that was a big surprise for me too. the piece on the trigger ist just to bulky to get into the hasselblad hotshoe. The sales guy then went for a canon, on that one id did fit, it did not seem to slip easy as well though.

[Pics2]

If you don't need TTL or remote control functions, you can use any trigger option on the market. I use basic Yongnuo triggers with my Phase One body and Profoto packs. I guess these would fit on Hasselblad ,too.

[orc73]

Hi Pics2, interesting, what speed can you use with the P1 before loosing light?
The B1 is supposed to cover even 1/1600s without loosing lights, most heads don't fire that quick. And then I don't know which trigger support this.
In the profoto specs the air is up to 1/500s, so are the pocketwizard plus III.

Except the Pocketwizard multimax(copied from specs):
Synch Speed   Up to 1/250 (focal plane)
Up to 1/500 (leaf shutter)
Up to 1/1000 (Fast Mode)

Not sure what Fast Mode means.

[gazwas]

I don't have the AirTTL Remote any longer but there is a difference in size between a standard Profoto Air Sync/Remote and a Canon hot shoe. You will loose light at full power with the B1 even in Freeze mode at the max sync speed of 1/800sec on your Hasselblad. All the Profoto Air triggers will sync up to 1/1600sec when set to fast mode no problem.

[Pics2]

Hi Pics2, interesting, what speed can you use with the P1 before loosing light?
The B1 is supposed to cover even 1/1600s without loosing lights, most heads don't fire that quick. And then I don't know which trigger support this.
In the profoto specs the air is up to 1/500s, so are the pocketwizard plus III.

Except the Pocketwizard multimax(copied from specs):
Synch Speed   Up to 1/250 (focal plane)
Up to 1/500 (leaf shutter)
Up to 1/1000 (Fast Mode)

Not sure what Fast Mode means.

Just up to 1/250.

[orc73]

Thanks gazwas!

if you say I will loose light at 1/800 with the b1, you are refering to triggering with the Pockewizards?
And then with the Profoto Air I would not?

[george2787]

I'd get the profoto trigger as you can use it to control power, modeling light and other cool things.

I've used the air transceiver, simple transceiver and the new canon specific TTL trigger on a h4d-40 with no problem (other than having to use manual because canon ttl won't work on H4d). Your unit seems to have a problem with the hotshoe, maybe some bump bent it.

[rem]

I received also my Profoto/Nikon TTL Remote, and no it fits not on the Hasselblad Cameras.
rem