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$100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« on: August 08, 2014, 07:10:40 PM »

$100 per mm? Almost, not quite. 6500 Euro list.

Tech data here:
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Leica-Summicron-S-2100-mm-ASPH

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 09:10:01 PM »

In English:
http://leicarumors.com/2014/08/06/coming-soon-leica-summicron-s-2100mm-asph-lens-and-leica-s-type-006-camera-2-4-0-0-firmware-update.aspx/
http://lavidaleica.com/content/summicron-s-100mm-f2-asph-coming

Probably a smart move from Leica, except for the 30-90mm zoom going from 70mm to 120mm felt a bit like a hole in their lens lineup.

And quite a few people were using the Hasselblad HC 100/2.2 (significantly cheaper at $4,260) with the H-adapter.

I am sure this will be an awesome lens as it obviously should be for the money...
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 09:26:50 PM »

I think we can expect two things at Photokina, with certainty:
- An updated S3.
- A price increase. it takes a lot of money to maintain exclusivity :)

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 05:18:20 AM »

They are definitely trying to shift their stock of S cameras, had some posh woman phone me up and ask if if I wanted to borrow a demo camera for free. Never had any dealings with Leica before, surprised high-end boutique manufacturers are resulting to cold calling to working class people to generate sales.  ::)  can't they just give cameras to posh celebrities to wander around with?
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 05:43:32 AM »

They are definitely trying to shift their stock of S cameras, had some posh woman phone me up and ask if if I wanted to borrow a demo camera for free. Never had any dealings with Leica before, surprised high-end boutique manufacturers are resulting to cold calling to working class people to generate sales.  ::)  can't they just give cameras to posh celebrities to wander around with?

With fashion-type profit margins they can afford to have a lot of demo gear and unsold stock.

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 06:46:22 PM »

$100 per mm? Almost, not quite. 6500 Euro list.

It makes the new Nikon 400mm f2.8 FL ED VR look like a total bargain! :)

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 07:53:37 PM »

Hello,

WOW! $10,300.00 NZ dollers for a 100mm lens.

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 07:55:49 PM »

By aperture (which is what you are paying for), rather than by focal length, it's more like $200 per mm!  :o

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 04:41:16 AM »

It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 07:01:25 AM »

It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.

I paid my Otus 4,000 US$, which, as far as I recall, it is closer to 3,000 Euro. Isn't that more that twice "cheaper"? ;)

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 07:35:35 AM »

It seems to me the price is not out of this world - It is not hugely more expensive than the Otus, has Autofocus plus the Leica Tax. All in all, now that a manual Focus lens from Zeiss is 5k Euros or so, the Leica S lenses don't seem that overpriced anymore.

Did you just call Zeiss a Leica shill ?

:)

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 07:48:44 AM »

Apparently there is not going to be a CS version which seems awkward as the lens is probably mostly targeted towards fashion shooters...
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 08:29:25 AM »

Apparently there is not going to be a CS version which seems awkward as the lens is probably mostly targeted towards fashion shooters...

Huh?


The Leica S/S2 is the medium format deal of the century, if you

#1 shop around and find a demo or lightly used with warranty (see Steve at Capture Integration).

#2 you buy an adapter for an H or Contax lens.

H lenses are falling out of the trees and they have central shutters if you need them.

I find CS not a big deal as flash duration will freeze a lot better than the shutter and even outside I can easily overpower the sun, except maybe in the palm desert at mid day.

Both shot with focal plane shutters 1200 watts and the Contax sync is only 1/90th.



Sometimes you just use the tools you have and everything works out.



IMO

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2014, 09:03:51 AM »

J,


I used a $500 Planar 110/2 V lens with an adapter on my Mamiya. You can mount them on the S, probably. I know the Leica is probably better but for $500 the Planar is ... considerably cheaper and optically not that bad ;)

Edmund

Huh?


The Leica S/S2 is the medium format deal of the century, if you

#1 shop around and find a demo or lightly used with warranty (see Steve at Capture Integration).

#2 you buy an adapter for an H or Contax lens.

H lenses are falling out of the trees and they have central shutters if you need them.

I find CS not a big deal as flash duration will freeze a lot better than the shutter and even outside I can easily overpower the sun, except maybe in the palm desert at mid day.

Both shot with focal plane shutters 1200 watts and the Contax sync is only 1/90th.



Sometimes you just use the tools you have and everything works out.



IMO

BC

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 02:25:18 PM »

This lens will drive the price of medical care up yet again! 

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 05:00:20 PM »

I paid my Otus 4,000 US$, which, as far as I recall, it is closer to 3,000 Euro. Isn't that more that twice "cheaper"? ;)

Cheers.
Bernard


The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)

You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.

Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 05:25:16 PM »

The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)

You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.

Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.

I've been playing around with my $400 Sigma Merrill DP3; it's sharper than anything I've *ever* seen, I mean scary sharp, and the camera is thrown in for free  - my feeling a lot of these high end prices we see now are just marketing, the Sony 50/1.8 and the Sigma Art lenses are pretty good, AF and not that expensive. I'm not saying the Leica and Zeiss Otus are bad lenses, just that the prices are fashion pricing.

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2014, 06:16:28 PM »

The Otus is $4k, the S 70 mm standard lens is $6k at B&H. That's $2k difference and for that you get weather sealing, auto focus, auto diaphragm, a larger image circle (54 instead of 43) provided you have an S camera to put the lens on, of course. (Damn why doesn't Leica make a smart adapter from S to CaNikon and Sony FE mount)

You loose the Otus' f1,4 because the 70 mm is f2,5. Some see the Otus is the best thing since sliced bread, but believe me, the 70 mm is one hell of a good lens. To each his own.

Edit: I forgot, for $6.000 you also get a leaf shutter, if you don't want/need that it's $5.000. That's a mere $1k difference with the Otus.

Agreed with all that. I was merely correction price information about the Otus.

Now, I guess you would agree with me that the 70mm S should be compared to a 50mm f1.8 lenses in 35mm. The f1.4 spec is driving most of the price of the Otus.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2014, 08:02:53 PM »

Agreed with all that. I was merely correction price information about the Otus.

Now, I guess you would agree with me that the 70mm S should be compared to a 50mm f1.8 lenses in 35mm. The f1.4 spec is driving most of the price of the Otus.

Cheers,
Bernard

I think that if you want a good F11 lens for MF, then for a 50MP sensor you will have that anyway with most modern lenses due to the diffraction limitation from the sensor, and the possibility of correcting CA and deformations in software. The same for a 35mm lens @ F8. So the price one pays is for good wide-open performance, but at these apertures it can be argued that one wishes for Bokeh even more than sharpness. I don't think landscape shooters should pay those prices, maybe portraitists should, but not for sharpness ...and they will want AF precisely because it is an interactive exercise. Which leaves us with certain product shots etc ... is this really the domain of the Otus?

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Re: $100 per mm? Leica 100/2
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2014, 08:28:37 PM »

 I guess no one can say the Rollei lenses are expensive now!  ;D
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