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dieter268

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External Editing for RAW files
« on: May 05, 2014, 01:23:21 pm »

I didn't find anything about it, but maybe I have missed something.
Is there a possibility to hand a RAW file over to a external RAW converter ?
I have set up the RAW converter under "External Editing" but it only let me set TIFF, PSD of JPEG as file fomat.

Thanks a lot in advance

Dieter

 

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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 01:54:54 pm »

Don't think that's possible as the command instructs LR to render the raw and hand off that rendered image to another image editor. Handing off a raw to another raw converter defeats the purpose of this command: take the raw + instructions and build a TIFF or JPEG etc to further edit in an editor that can handle such data.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 02:53:35 pm »

Look at my Open Directly plugin which was designed for this kind of task.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 06:16:03 pm »

Is there a possibility to hand a RAW file over to a external RAW converter ?

And because John is too self-effacing, here's the link :
http://photographers-toolbox.com/products/jbeardsworth/opendirectly/index.php
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 06:53:51 pm »

Is there a possibility to hand a RAW file over to a external RAW converter ?

Can you explain why you think you want to do this?
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 07:03:12 pm »

Can you explain why you think you want to do this?
I was wondering the same thing. Unless one wishes to use LR solely for the DAM.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 07:53:13 pm »

The only reason I use the "DAM" feature of Lightroom, excuse the pun, is because its the only way that I can access my raw files in the develop module. Its a means to the end, the processing of raw data from my Digital Camera.

If I wanted to use another raw processor then the simple choice would be to use their software.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 08:09:17 pm »

John's Open Directly plug-in is very useful to me.  I use Lightroom to catalog all images and do most post-processing there with occasional roundtrips to Photoshop.  However, when I'm not entirely happy with my current Lightroom version of the photo, Open Directly lets me quickly send the original raw to see how another raw processor would handle it without creating the intermediate Tiff.  

For example, I can quickly check (in a particular problematical image) if CaptureNX really does a better job (as many Nikon folk swear), if Optics Pro handles the geometric corrections better, if Capture One (a trial version for me) truly produces the "best" skin rendering, of if newcomer Photo Ninja will better serve.

Most of the time I end up keeping the Lightroom version, but not always.  Some of the alternate RAW programs will automatically save back to the original directory; some take more effort.  If I choose to keep one of the alternate raw conversions, only a Lightroom synch is necessary...no deleting of hand- off, unwanted Tiff files

I know how to create and use the Lightroom export presets, but for the situations above, they are not as handy to me.

I'm open to workflow advice.  I'm always looking for best practices.

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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 08:31:07 pm »

I use Lightroom to catalog all images and do most post-processing there with occasional roundtrips to Photoshop.  However, when I'm not entirely happy with my current Lightroom version of the photo, Open Directly lets me quickly send the original raw to see how another raw processor would handle it without creating the intermediate Tiff.  
Maybe this is some Windows issue but on Mac, from LR's Filmstrip, one can drag and drop a preview onto (in my test) Iridient Developer. That launches the app and loads the raw. So the question remains, what's the need of anything else?
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 08:37:13 pm »

Jeff, Andrew any comments about this ?
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=73954.msg727919#msg727919

Comments about what? That thread seems all over the place.

Yes, a tripod can help image detail (is that what you were asking?)

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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 08:51:35 pm »

Yes, a tripod can help image detail (is that what you were asking?)

Nope, not really - more the zany colour rendition (of the flowers)  ...
 
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 09:51:43 pm »

Maybe this is some Windows issue but on Mac, from LR's Filmstrip, one can drag and drop a preview onto (in my test) Iridient Developer. That launches the app and loads the raw. So the question remains, what's the need of anything else?

I guess it's a Windows issue.  Using Windows I can drop files onto Lightroom to invoke import, but I can't drag a file from Lightroom to another program.  Maybe there is a way, but I don't know about it.  That's why I appreciate the Open Directly plug-in.

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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 09:58:12 pm »

Maybe this is some Windows issue but on Mac, from LR's Filmstrip, one can drag and drop a preview onto (in my test) Iridient Developer. That launches the app and loads the raw. So the question remains, what's the need of anything else?

Thats odd, Dog. On my Mac, when LR is open, it dominates the entire real estate of my screen. I even turned off "autohide" and my apps still remain hidden.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong??
What I did was create a recipe which copies the original RAW file to a folder then instructs Capture One (in my case) to open.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2014, 03:12:56 am »

Thanks a lot guys!
I will give John's plugin a try, looks good from what I saw on the website.
Why I was looking for this function ? I like to play around with other RAW-Converters too, and it's a convinient way to be able to do it from within LR.

Dieter
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2014, 03:37:34 am »

Maybe this is some Windows issue but on Mac, from LR's Filmstrip, one can drag and drop a preview onto (in my test) Iridient Developer. That launches the app and loads the raw. So the question remains, what's the need of anything else?
It's more a Lightroom issue - a failure on Adobe's part to implement LR drag and drop with Windows. On Mac, drag and drop's no good if you are working full screen.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2014, 07:05:40 am »

It's more a Lightroom issue - a failure on Adobe's part to implement LR drag and drop with Windows. On Mac, drag and drop's no good if you are working full screen.

Thanks, I didn't realize it was full screen.
However when you drag and drop one item from the filmstrip into C1, Capture tries to open all the images in the catalog. That's what bugs me about Media Pro and Capture One.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2014, 10:00:42 am »

On Mac, drag and drop's no good if you are working full screen.
Unless you work with dual displays. Or just move the main full screen display a side a tad. Not a big deal IMHO.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 06:31:16 am »

The most recent release of Iridient (2.4) offers a nice and smooth integration with Lr and Aperture.
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Re: External Editing for RAW files
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2014, 02:10:52 pm »

The most recent release of Iridient (2.4) offers a nice and smooth integration with Lr and Aperture.
Indeed, just got the email and it says:
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This update includes a number of great new features to provide better integration with other photo management tools, in particular Lightroom and Aperture. It is now much easier to use Iridient Developer as an external editor for both RAW and standard image editing tasks. New features include 'Find and Open RAW' for doing a local search for the RAW source of a standard image, the ability to overwrite standard images in place and support for automatically opening the RAW source image when sent a standard image for external editing. A new menu item has been added to quickly overwrite an image using the identical file name, image format, dpi and color profile quickly and this also allows overwriting the standard image source of RAW images as well.
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