Lightroom Mobile Released

[fhammond]

Lightroom Mobile doesn't currently address the field triage workflow. (Jeff, I assume you're already aware of this but perhaps not everyone in this thread is.) There's a blog post about this from Lightroom's product manager and he's eager to get people's feedback on the subject.

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/04/the-field-triage-opportunity-for-lr-mobile.html

[Damon Lynch]

What I think would be cool, and entirely possible in the not-to-distant future:

• When in the field, a program runs on a phone that imports the RAWs from the camera(s) into a file repository located on portable storage devices.
• During import, the files would be renamed and duplicated across devices, automatically. The file repository would use industry best practices to ensure file consistency, a generation ahead of what we commonly see in use today.
• The family of photo processing software programs, whether they be a laptop, tablet or phone, use the shared  file repository from the portable storage devices. Since file repository contains the edits in XMP, the different programs have no problem working together.
• When returning from the field, the file repository from the portable devices is automatically merged in with the central file repository

None of these steps require the Internet! With the right camera and the right software tools every step could be done wirelessly. For instance, we already find hard drives on the market that have wifi built in. Cellphones that are powerful enough to run desktop class operating systems are pretty close, where you can plug your phone into a monitor and keyboard and have an experience much like a "real" computer. Jason DeRose has implemented dmedia, which solves many problems regarding maintaining massive file repositories in a distributed environment, such as file consistency, file safety etc.

Whoever gets this right could be quite successful. My only fear is that it will take a while for the industry to develop interoperable standards instead of locking people into a workflow that benefits one company.

[jferrari]

Cellphones that are powerful enough to run desktop class operating systems are pretty close,

So, are you proposing color managed cell phones?

[Damon Lynch]

When the day comes that I plug my cellphone into my desktop monitor, yes it better be color managed at the operating system level! 

[digitaldog]

So, are proposing color managed cell phones?

Do they need to be? If they were, would we edit images on them as we do on the desktop with big, color managed displays? I mean, it be nice but let's look at the tools under discussion here, what we hope to do with them. My iPhone has a tiny keyboard. I'm an old fart and hate typing on it so I'd be hard pressed to write a short email let alone a letter or book. I could hook up a Bluetooth keyboard which would help, I'm still stuck with a tiny display. Transfer those tasks to a 15" MacPro Retina, much easier, I'll do a lot more work of those tasks on that tool. But compare that to a dual 27" NEC setup with the same laptop driving it. I'm going to spend far more time editing images there than the Macbook alone.

Use the right tool for the right job! Not the most popular or most current selling tool. This is the crux of the issue I have with LrM. It could provide very useful functionality if it were actually based on the strengths of the tool it was not (currently) well designed for, a mobile device. I hate typing on my iPhone but the voice recognition works well for a short sentence or two. That addition to the tool makes it more usable and it is that kind of direction LrM has to migrate to. Just putting current desktop/laptop tools on a mobile device isn't enough to make LrM very useable to many of us. And as the attraction of the shiny new toy fades, I suspect many more users too.

[jferrari]

Just putting current desktop/laptop tools on a mobile device isn't enough to make LrM very useable to many of us.

Exactly, well stated.

[jrsforums]

Do they need to be? If they were, would we edit images on them as we do on the desktop with big, color managed displays? I mean, it be nice but let's look at the tools under discussion here, what we hope to do with them. My iPhone has a tiny keyboard. I'm an old fart and hate typing on it so I'd be hard pressed to write a short email let alone a letter or book. I could hook up a Bluetooth keyboard which would help, I'm still stuck with a tiny display. Transfer those tasks to a 15" MacPro Retina, much easier, I'll do a lot more work of those tasks on that tool. But compare that to a dual 27" NEC setup with the same laptop driving it. I'm going to spend far more time editing images there than the Macbook alone.

Use the right tool for the right job! Not the most popular or most current selling tool. This is the crux of the issue I have with LrM. It could provide very useful functionality if it were actually based on the strengths of the tool it was not (currently) well designed for, a mobile device. I hate typing on my iPhone but the voice recognition works well for a short sentence or two. That addition to the tool makes it more usable and it is that kind of direction LrM has to migrate to. Just putting current desktop/laptop tools on a mobile device isn't enough to make LrM very useable to many of us. And as the attraction of the shiny new toy fades, I suspect many more users too.

I think phones should be color managed from the factory and guaranteed for life....legend if it costs a significant amount more....we deserve it....and our images deserve it.  :-)

[digitaldog]

I think phones should be color managed from the factory and guaranteed for life....legend if it costs a significant amount more....we deserve it....and our images deserve it.  :-)

Got no problem with that but I don't know that is possible. We know display systems age, they drift etc. That's why we calibrate them on a regular basis. And it be useful if they had some color profile to define what the device produces.

[jjj]

But when I'm out on my bike, and need to fix something, I use a pocket multi-tool and not my socket set. Likewise, I've had some fun on planes and in hotel rooms editing images with Snapseed on my iPad.

I've actually exported images to my iPad to use Snapseed on them as I got a nicer look that I did from LR. It's a great piece of software.

[jjj]

You call it unreasonably negative, I call it accurate. But lets put the question into your court. In what way is LrM better, faster or cheaper than good old LR? What problem does it fix that existed before it's release? I'm negative because I think it's a huge failure to provide anything but eye candy and aimed at the stat's showing the huge number of tablets are out there. Phones will be next of course, not because working with big raws there is neither a better, faster or cheaper place to do so but because of the population of those devices. LrM is basically a solution in search of a problem. And a way to hook users into the cloud and subscription many don't need nor want. If those facts are unreasonably negative, I stand by them. If you wish to dismiss them as facts, by all means just answer the above question about what LrM provides that is better, faster or cheaper than good old LR.

My neighbour across the road and his wife go on travels several times a year, taking lots of photos and working on them in LR. Now he does the PP, but the wife also has a say in what shots get used. Currently they use Photosmith as she can choose pics on the iPad sitting in the lounge and he can work on the desktop in the office. LRm would make this task even easier for them.
Take this scenario and replace it with client and photographer, not possible as of yet, but it could be made to work and you have a really useful business tool. It would currently work in a studio where the photographer has a retoucher for example.

Just because you don't have the imagination to see how LRm could be useful Andrew, it doesn't mean it not a great tool for other people's workflows.
Had a play with it myself and was a bit underwhelmed as it didn't do anything for my current needs as v1.0 stands, but give it time and......

[jjj]

I don't like wasting my time (life is short) or jumping through more hoops then I feel is necessary.

So why have you expended so much time and energy reiterating why LRm doesn't work for you then? 

Never understood why people have to complain and whinge about software or software features they do not use.
They are like the people who complain about TV shows and are too dim to realise you can turn the damn thing off or to another channel.
So with software...If you don't like something you do not actually use. Don't use it. Then move on. Simples!

[Schewe]

So why have you expended so much time and energy reiterating why LRm doesn't work for you then? 

Because Andrew is disappointed with LrM and when Andrew is disappointed in something, he tends to broadcast it. :~)

It boils down to tough love...Andrew is hard on companies and products that he's disappointed in. Also note that Andrew does a lot of product testing of both software and hardware, so, his opinion (tough as it sometimes is) continues to be useful for companies.

Also note that Andrew has never met a debate that he doesn't love. He's kinda a pit bull (the Digital Dog should be a clue).

[digitaldog]

Just because you don't have the imagination to see how LRm could be useful Andrew, it doesn't mean it not a great tool for other people's workflows.

You're not very good at reading. Or comprehension! This isn't the first time I've had to point this out to you either. If you were good at either, you'd see I've said that mutliple times through out this thread. Case in point:

But by all means run it if you find it useful.

I also told you that if you like it, great, use it.

If you feel doing something twice instead of once is effective, by all means do so.

If you want to use it, go for it.

If it works for you, great.  

[jjj]

Because Andrew is disappointed with LrM and when Andrew is disappointed in something, he tends to broadcast it. :~)

It boils down to tough love...Andrew is hard on companies and products that he's disappointed in. Also note that Andrew does a lot of product testing of both software and hardware, so, his opinion (tough as it sometimes is) continues to be useful for companies.

Also note that Andrew has never met a debate that he doesn't love. He's kinda a pit bull (the Digital Dog should be a clue).

Rabid Dog more like. At the stage where brain function is impaired.

[jjj]

You're not very good at reading. Or comprehension! This isn't the first time I've had to point this out to you either. If you were good at either, you'd see I've said that mutliple times through out this thread. Case in point:

You are quite the dick Andrew. As usual you take a quote out of the context which gave examples of how LRm can be very useful in my specific response to a specific post of yours. My reply was not in fact to all the other ones you have re-quoted and yet again you have the temerity to witter on about reading ability. Which is deeply ironic as you rant and rant without ever properly answering other people's questions or addressing facts that people write in their posts.

All you've done in this thread is gone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how you don't like LRm without adding anything useful. This is why I don't bother with LuLa very often as I get fed up with nonsense like yours.
You don't like LRm we get that, so stop pissing on those to whom it may be useful.

[digitaldog]

You are quite the dick Andrew.

Takes one to know one jjj!

All you've done in this thread is gone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

Might I suggest then you move on.

This is why I don't bother with LuLa very often as I get fed up with nonsense like yours.

Excellent, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hi Andrew,

He never said he was leaving, i's apparently you who is having (reading comprehension) issues. Not helpful for your reputation. Just saying, again.

Cheers,
Bart

[digitaldog]

Just saying, again.

Right, and as per your post last time, you never provided clarification for it.
As for him leaving, wishful thinking.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Right, and as per your post last time, you never provided clarification for it.

You're doing it just fine yourself. No help needed with that, and therefore no need for me to waste any of my time repeating all of your above selective, out of context, spiteful, quotes/remarks ...

You don't like LR mobile, fine, we get it, time to move on to something constructive.

Cheers,
Bart

[Christopher Sanderson]

Time to lock this and move on don't you think?