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Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« on: March 10, 2014, 01:18:51 pm »

I have received some sample sheets of Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta to test, and the testreport you can find here: http://wp.me/p3e0fn-lu.

In short, not a drop-in replacement of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk, but an excellent alternative, a sublime paper in its own right, enjoy reading (probably need google translate though, it is in Dutch)
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 01:30:22 pm »

I have received some sample sheets of Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta to test, and the testreport you can find here: http://wp.me/p3e0fn-lu.

In short, not a drop-in replacement of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk, but an excellent alternative, a sublime paper in its own right, enjoy reading (probably need google translate though, it is in Dutch)

Hahnemuhle already offers its own baryta paper, Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta, which is much more durable and has a better 'feel' than IGFS, while having similar print qualities. It also has a non-baryta version, Photo Rag Pearl, which prints very similarly, while being even more durable. What does Photo Silk Baryta offer that the other two don't? Is it smoother, better Dmax, glossier, etc.?
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 02:28:51 am »

Hahnemuhle already offers its own baryta paper, Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta, which is much more durable and has a better 'feel' than IGFS, while having similar print qualities. It also has a non-baryta version, Photo Rag Pearl, which prints very similarly, while being even more durable. What does Photo Silk Baryta offer that the other two don't? Is it smoother, better Dmax, glossier, etc.?
Why Hahnemuhle has put this paper on the market, while, whereas you mention only one, they already have 3 baryta's (outside of the Harman baryta's), is something the Hahnemuhle suits can only explain.
They position HPSB as an alternative to IGFS, and whilsth the paperbase (incl baryta layer?) appears to be the same, the ink receptor coating definitely is not the same. The numbers part of my test shows this, and when profiled it gives more gamut (~10% according to the ColorCheck method), very smooth tone from white to black. The Dmax is 2.3 compared to ~2.4 on IGFS, so slightly less, but can be fine-tuned to a higher value if must be. But those are numbers, and show only half of the story.

From a image experience perspective, skin tones, hair tones, transitions from highlite to shadow to my eye are better, above all this experience of realness, as the persons portrayed are sot of "there", intead of watching a print, which is very good. And this while its surface is not glossy.
Of the ones you mentioned, the Photo Rag Baryta i played with some years ago and preferred the Harman Gloss Baryta as better. The Photo Rag Pearl i have no experience with, so i cannot comment on that one.
But of all the non gloss papers, so the satin or luster surfaces, i have been able to print on, the photo silk baryta has the most 3-dimensionality, realness, or however you can call it in english. Yet with reduced specular reflections, not bad at all.

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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2014, 04:58:00 am »

Photo Rag Baryta Has no OBA's and is its paperbase is therefore less white...

Must say that it depends also on the printer what paper works out best.
In my case-HP Z3100- the Ilford paper did not work out well and Photo Rag Baryta works perfect together with the Gloss enhancer.
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 07:14:48 am »

Photo Rag Baryta Has no OBA's and is its paperbase is therefore less white...

Must say that it depends also on the printer what paper works out best.
In my case-HP Z3100- the Ilford paper did not work out well and Photo Rag Baryta works perfect together with the Gloss enhancer.
It was not the base white of the paper, but the experience when viewing a print why i did not prefer the HPRB.
It for sure depends on the printer used. My experiences started with HP-B9180, followed by a Epson4900, which on identical papers can give a different experience.
Your point on the gloss enhancer underpins my statement on the not to neglect role of the reflection behaviour of the print surface in the experience of the obeserver when viewing a print.
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2014, 11:42:27 am »

So, this new paper is unlike gold fiber silk/canson baryta? If my google translate is correct it has even more gloss differential than those? Does anyone have some more info on this. Like, is it a "board" style like the gfs or more loose and flexi like the harman gloss? What's the texture close to? Just curious...
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 07:38:29 am »

In short, not a drop-in replacement of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk, but an excellent alternative, a sublime paper in its own right, enjoy reading (probably need google translate though, it is in Dutch)

Hello,
I have read your test using google translate,
thanks for doing it,
however, I would like to ask you some little things in order to better understand:

1) the first test was done using Hahnemuhle HPSB canned profile (downloaded from their site, for your Epson 4900)
or using a previously downloaded or custom made profile (the Ilford GFS canned one or a custom one made using Ilford GFS sheets)?
2) the second test was done using your custom profile and made on the HPSB samples sheets, right?
3) can you clearly tell me how HPSB is performing from the gloss differential point of view?
Because the translation is not so clear and I would like to know if the difference between inked and non inked zones is more noticeable than Ilford GFS or not...

Many thanks again for your test, it was really appreciated.

Ciao.
Andrea :)
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 08:18:33 am »

Andrea,

the first test was done with a custom profile made on IGFS. The second test with a custom profile on the HPSB.
Gloss differential: between no-ink and inked quite large and interesting, however the flip-side is that if there is a (largish) no-ink area in your image it can be disturbing in certain lighting and angle of view cases. Simple remedy: a minimal amount of ink in the "white" areas.
Note: We are planning a launch in The Netherlands with an exposition of a series of images representing a broad span of types of images.
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Re: Hahnemuhle Photo Silk Baryta, a test
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2014, 08:36:54 am »

Hello,
many thanks for your answer,
it confirm what I was supposing based on google translate :)

It could be interesting to have a test of the HPSB canned profile downloaded from their site,
this would be really helpful to compare it with your custom made profile.

Regarding gloss differential:
I still consider the Ilford GFS gloss differential noticeable (and disturbing in some high contrast pictures), so if this HPSB gloss differential is higher then it's not a nice news...
I know that the issue can be lowered by shifting the high point, but I don't like to do it. 
I have experienced that using Hahnemuhle protective spray, on Hahnemuhle papers like Photo Rag Baryta it almost completely eliminates the gloss differential.
By using it on Ilford GFS it helps, but it does not eliminate it to the same degree.
I hope the HPSB coating, being Hanhemuhle made, it could react in a good way to their own spray.

FYI: Note that in the latest update of SpectrumViz, Ernst has added the HPSB to the bunch. :)

Many thanks again.

Ciao.
Andrea :)

 
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