You want to argue that we're ignoring language and don't know anything about it, because we're too literal?
Let me give you some light reading:...
I know I said "over and out," and now I am back, so let's just assume it refereed to a particular style of debate, i.e., humorous arguing (or simply being a "nasty simpleton," depending on your perception).
Therefore, I will try to remain serious for the rest of the debate. But before we continue, let me just say that I never said my opponents are "ignoring language and don't know anything about it."
Whenever someone throws a book at me in a forum debate, without stating his point, I am puzzled. Especially links to 150 and 250 pages books. Am I supposed to read it all or publish a research paper on the subject in order to qualify for the debate? So, Phil, I do not know what your point is and do not want to speculate on your behalf. But feel free to state it yourself.
I did skim through the 150-page one though. And guess what I found:
In a survey of 36 different nationalities, speaking 26 different languages (including Arabic, Chinese, Japanese), when asked "What would you call this color?," between 85-90 % responded with a single word "blue." Now add to that those who used a variant of "blue" in their answer (e.g., "bright blue", etc.) and the percentage gets into the 90-99 % territory.
So, where exactly was I wrong?