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Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« on: February 27, 2014, 05:05:23 AM »

Yesterday I received an email form the marketing department of 'Fotospeed' claiming the their "Platinum Baryta 300" is a direct replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk.  I have not tried this paper so I can not comment on the veracity of their claim.  I am based in the UK and am not aware if Fotospeed does business outside these shores.

The URL to their site/info on paper is:  http://fotospeedltd.createsend4.com/t/ViewEmail/j/F490B63ECE32DACC/CA00EC56F59C8CAE44D0DD5392A9C75A

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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2014, 05:15:48 AM »

There have been more threads on the subject, like this one:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=87046.0

Testing the original to the alternative in printing is one step, a chance for me to make spectral plots of all the Fotospeed catalog papers could add to that.


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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2014, 08:32:38 AM »

Canson Baryta Photographique is an extremely close and most likely trustworthy replacement for IGFS.
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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 03:13:59 AM »

Canson Baryta Photographique is an extremely close and most likely trustworthy replacement for IGFS.

Like all the other papers named in this link, I think?.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=87046.0
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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 07:37:54 AM »

I can only speak for what I have tested. Interesting how often the Canson name surfaces in that other thread. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 08:26:05 AM »

I have included the Canson Baryta Photographique in the test as an update: http://wp.me/p3e0fn-kO

In short the paperbase appears identical to the others, thanks to Ernst Dinkla's SpectrumViz.
The ink-receptor layer looks ever so slightly different, as does a print of an image.

Would like to hear from others about their findings.
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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 11:23:45 AM »

I have included the Canson Baryta Photographique in the test as an update: http://wp.me/p3e0fn-kO

In short the paperbase appears identical to the others, thanks to Ernst Dinkla's SpectrumViz.
The ink-receptor layer looks ever so slightly different, as does a print of an image.

Would like to hear from others about their findings.


Jan,

The spectral measurements are done on both sides of the inkjet paper and by that include the inkjet coating's reflection of at least one side of the paper. That coating side reflection does not tell whether the coating is the same as the  coating of another paper with the same coating side reflection but at least they are similar on that aspect of white reflection. Together with the weight measurement and the reflection of the uncoated paper base side it creates some evidence that it could be the same paper. For ICC printer profile selection the same white reflection is an important thing to start from. Nevertheless the way the coating interacts with the applied inks can still differ and by that make a distinction between the papers that have that same white reflection. That will also influence the usability of the profile beyond the paper white part if used for both papers. Gloss difference will not be detected in the spectral plots either so the print can still look different that way too. I did see some difference in gloss between the Canson and the Ilford quality. Usually satin to gloss finish have less impact on the profile selection though. So when the basic paper ingredients are the same, one(custom) profile can often be used for both finishes. It is different when we go to semi-matte etc.

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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 04:11:31 PM »

Hahnemuhle is releasing a new product called Photo Silk Baryta - here is blurb:

Photo Silk Baryta 310 is a white, silk gloss Baryta paper that gives the impression of a traditional silver halide photo paper. The unique barium sulphate coating ensures an extraordinary image result with a very large color space, creamy shades of white and velvety deep black. A high color density and brilliance guarantee an impressive sharpness of detail for high resolution and vivid images of a sensational quality. The 100% alpha-cellulose paper is acid-free and meets the criteria for durability according to ISO 970.
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Re: Replacement for Ilford Gold Fibre Silk
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 04:23:18 AM »

Jan,

The spectral measurements are done on both sides of the inkjet paper and by that include the inkjet coating's reflection of at least one side of the paper. That coating side reflection does not tell whether the coating is the same as the  coating of another paper with the same coating side reflection but at least they are similar on that aspect of white reflection. Together with the weight measurement and the reflection of the uncoated paper base side it creates some evidence that it could be the same paper. For ICC printer profile selection the same white reflection is an important thing to start from. Nevertheless the way the coating interacts with the applied inks can still differ and by that make a distinction between the papers that have that same white reflection. That will also influence the usability of the profile beyond the paper white part if used for both papers. Gloss difference will not be detected in the spectral plots either so the print can still look different that way too. I did see some difference in gloss between the Canson and the Ilford quality. Usually satin to gloss finish have less impact on the profile selection though. So when the basic paper ingredients are the same, one(custom) profile can often be used for both finishes. It is different when we go to semi-matte etc.
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Ernst, yes indeed the profile, in this case from IGFS, is interchangeable with the others tested, including the white-point as these can be considered identical. How the ink-receptor layer interacts with ink however can be different. When going for the maximum possible on the CABP (Canson Baryta Photographique), i find it can be pushed a bit further than IGFS, both in saturation (amount of ink, thus also Dmax without smearing or blocking shadows) and in resolution (fine details). Btw i use Epson 4900.


My personal preference is the Canson in this case, however with its own media settings and profile.

I do mainly portraiture, and with CABP the printed image appears more 3-dimensional, has some "alive" feeling to it, as if you are looking at the person(s) through a rectangular window.


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