So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?

[Rick Popham]

Fact: John Nack leaving Adobe to Google... Any speculation on the motives?

He probably has a really interesting project to work on.  I hope he keeps blogging someplace other than Facebook or Twitter.  He always has something interesting to post, and I admired how he ran his Adobe blog -- I really don't know how he could stand it sometimes.

[dseelig]

Maybe Nack saw how google was with NIK they got Nik and lowered the price. LOL I do not have a clue Probably did get a project he wanted to work on.

[Schewe]

Fact: John Nack leaving Adobe to Google... Any speculation on the motives?

He got head hunted...happens all the time in Silicon Valley. Not sure how you could possibly see some sort of ulterior motive to somebody who gets a better job? John's a friend (known him since he started at Adobe), married with two kids and just like anybody, looked to advance his career. A former Photoshop engineering manager and a former Camera Raw engineer already work at Google and Apple has head hunted several former Photoshop & Lightroom engineers. So what? On average, people change jobs about 11 times in their lives...

Note, if you want to try to read tea leaves, it helps if know a little something about tea.

[Vladimirovich]

He got head hunted..

ok, any speculation as to why he was head hunted then ?

[Schewe]

ok, any speculation as to why he was head hunted then ?

Because Google is very, very aggressive? Do you live in SV? Do you have a really good resume? If you did, you would be head hunted...head hunters get a bounty for big scores.

[Vladimirovich]

Fact: people change jobs

when some people change jobs it might point out to something interesting... Anders Hejlsberg left Borland for M$ in 1996 and we got C#... just an example

[Vladimirovich]

Because Google is very, very aggressive? Do you live in SV? Do you have a really good resume? If you did, you would be head hunted...head hunters get a bounty for big scores.

so you allege that google has no real reason where to use him and just stockpiling people with good resumes 

[Schewe]

when some people change jobs it might point out to something interesting...

And MSFT head hunted Adobe's Mark Hamburg (who started Lightroom and was the #2 engineer hired to work on Photoshop)...it lasted a couple of years and now Mark is back at Adobe (working on Adobe Revel).

So?

[Schewe]

so you allege that google has no real reason where to use him and just stockpiling people with good resumes 

Stockpiling people with good resumes that have product management or engineering experience on major digital imaging apps, sure...I know what John is gonna do but it's not my place to divulge that.

[Vladimirovich]

And MSFT head hunted Adobe's Mark Hamburg (who started Lightroom and was the #2 engineer hired to work on Photoshop)...it lasted a couple of years and now Mark is back at Adobe (working on Adobe Revel).

So?

so I am curious what M$ was up to and what failed ?

[Vladimirovich]

I know what John is gonna do but it's not my place to divulge that.

if you really know then it is not interesting... really interesting things are not so easily known... not to people in Hawaian shirts  !!!

[Vladimirovich]

working on Adobe Revel

what is it ? if I have to google that then it is a failure...

[Schewe]

so I am curious what M$ was up to and what failed ?

Not at liberty to say...(actually, it was loosely described as "User Experience Improvement" since Mark was such a Mac-Head).

[Schewe]

if you really know then it is not interesting... really interesting things are not so easily known... not to people in Hawaian shirts  !!!

Whatever...(and yes I know and won't say–I know a lot about stuff I won't talk about).

[Rick Popham]

Not at liberty to say...(actually, it was loosely described as "User Experience Improvement" since Mark was such a Mac-Head).

Only Microsoft could hire someone like Mark Hamburg to improve user experience and end up with something like Windows 8. That must have been an "interesting" experience for him.

[Schewe]

Only Microsoft could hire someone like Mark Hamburg to improve user experience and end up with something like Windows 8. That must have been an "interesting" experience for him.

Well, I didn't say Mark had any fun...(it wan't any fun).

[LesPalenik]

Only Microsoft could hire someone like Mark Hamburg to improve user experience and end up with something like Windows 8. That must have been an "interesting" experience for him.

Best quote of the day.

[Schewe]

Only Microsoft could hire someone like Mark Hamburg to improve user experience and end up with something like Windows 8. That must have been an "interesting" experience for him.

I didn't say that Mark made a "mark" at MSFT....only what his reason for going...and the timing for OS 8.x doesn't line up...this was a bit of time ago...(can't really be more specific).

And...that's about as much as I'll say about that!

OK?

[Rick Popham]

I didn't say that Mark made a "mark" at MSFT....only what his reason for going...and the timing for OS 8.x doesn't line up...this was a bit of time ago...(can't really be more specific).

And...that's about as much as I'll say about that!

OK?

Sure, Jeff.  Now that I think about it, it was quite a while back. But I can't help but think that Microsoft missed an opportunity there.

[Glenn NK]

While people may be tired of complaining and "arguing the same points", it doesn't mean they're sold on the subscription model.  I would certainly choose a perpetual upgrade over a subscription -- every time.

I think the whole point is that it doesn't matter any longer what anyone thinks - it's a matter of "fait accompli".   There is no longer a choice.

I'm not suggesting that I'm in favour of the subscription model, I'm suggesting that the milk is spilled . . . . . .