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dgberg

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I am just sold on dye color prints on my small 13" Epson 1430 claria dye ink printer. Cibachrome plus!
Printing on Ilfords Smooth Hi Gloss and Pictorico High gloss white Films and most are facemounted to acrylic.
Which leads to my latest problem. I have these new color dye prints on Ilfords film laying all around the studio and everyone that sees them wants them. Black and white and color.
Which is a problem as all my wide format machines are pigment.
So the hunt continues for a 24" 8 or 9 dye inkset converted printer with the grey inks for neutral black and white prints and of course color. (Canon Pro 100 has the 8 dyes but is only a 13" machine.)
Cones Inkthrift Pro has 8/9 dyes but has poor longevity ratings. His CL dyes are rated good but are only 6 color.
Having a dedicated dye printer for Ilford's Smooth Hi Gloss 24" rolls will get a ton of use. Neither Jon Cone or Paul Roark offer the 8 cart cl inksets.
Suggestions anyone ?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2013, 07:22:49 am by Dan Berg »
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Ernst Dinkla

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Noritsu, Fuji, Epson dry-minilab cartridges. I think you can get up to seven inks; KkCcMmY if you search the respective minilab specifications which one uses six or five inks.. Their longevity is however in combination with the minilab papers and I assume with Epson papers that are suitable for Claria. Closer to Claria quality than anything else.

Canon's DreamLabo dry minilab will not have an installed base wide enough to get easy access to consumables. If that model ever was sold, expensive one. 7 dye inks. Even a metallic paper that is aimed at it. Have a very nice printed sample of it here. I guess the inks should have some longevity too.

FujiFilm could well be the source of the dye inks for both ranges.

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Ernst,

I have read Paul's excellent article on the Epson 1430.
The 2k-2lk would be perfect for a 13" B&W only printer.
Looks like the ink is available ,making it all work in a wide format printer is another story.
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What makes dye ink so attractive is the ultra smooth gloss of the finish. Can you tell the difference once face mounted?  I would think at that point the print surface isn't a real factor any more.
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What makes dye ink so attractive is the ultra smooth gloss of the finish. Can you tell the difference once face mounted?  I would think at that point the print surface isn't a real factor any more.

Wayne, I think a lot of it has to do with how receptive the surface is to ink.

I've been playing with some BC Silverada Canvas and it just doesn't suck in the dye ink well.  Some may even evaporate.  They also mention pulling back the density in the printer driver (on the Canon 9000 II dye ink printer) to keep ink from puddling on the surface - and I found that true.  I've made an error and sent the same print through the printer twice so the dye ink built up and the dMax was higher as the areas that were off register on the second pass that showed the density buildup of the dye ink.  Probably 4 passes would hit max dMax, or one pass of pigment, but the canvas just isn't that receptive to "dye" on one pass - or many.  One pass is a muddy warm black, and a different canvas is definitely blacker.

Sort of dismayed by the BC material for dye use since so many other metallic papers work well with my printers and the various dyes (OCP & Cone) soaks in but lets the metal shine through. If it were called "Opalescent" or "Pearl" and "Not recommended for dye ink due to layer construction" I'd be $130 richer.

Sidebar: I'm also seeing issues where the OCP dye is much blacker than the Cone dye too (e.g. OCP dye showing dMax 2.4, and Cone dye is 1.9) on other type of paper, but that's another issue too.  Canon for the "dye" win so far over my Epson.  Hopefully, I can get that addressed, but it might take another encapsulated black dye from someone else to pull off.

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