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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2013, 02:29:13 am »

Hello,
 
I'm one of those shooters at the coal face every day taking pictures and my Nikon D800E is bringing home the bacon with clean shadows and great resolution. For me CCD chip's are relics from the last decade as film was to the last century

Cheers

Simon.



Different usage scenarios, different expectations.

I have that same camera (OK, without the E) and I prefer the relics from the past for skin tonality.
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2013, 03:06:02 am »

Different usage scenarios, different expectations.

I have that same camera (OK, without the E) and I prefer the relics from the past for skin tonality.


True skin is so passé, don't you think? Like any color consultant I have profiles which you just dump over a file and they paint in pink, beige or latte in the right places.  :P
Hmm, come to think of it one of the well known posters here kind of does the same, but he won't admit it. Of course this does not detract from the quality of his setups.
 
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #102 on: December 10, 2013, 03:15:43 am »

Hi Erik,

Here is what I came up with on the IQ260.... Rather clean.

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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #103 on: December 10, 2013, 07:03:41 am »

True skin is so passé, don't you think?
Not sure if you are being serious here. Either way some digital cameras have a nasty (in my opinion) video look to them when it comes to skin tone. Some people don't mind or notice that look whilst others like synn and myself prefect how film renders skin. The problem I have with bad skin rendition is that it makes people look like mannequins/rubber dolls, not a look I like.
Not keen on heavily airbrushed skin either, that a different sort of ick. It's more uncanny valley than attractive to me.


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Like any color consultant I have profiles which you just dump over a file and they paint in pink, beige or latte in the right places.  :P
Hmm, come to think of it one of the well known posters here kind of does the same, but he won't admit it. Of course this does not detract from the quality of his setups.
Are you talking about fixing issues with highlight rendition here?
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #104 on: December 10, 2013, 11:52:08 am »

How can it be that Erik finds such awful noise in the IQ260 image - using Phase One's own softawre no less ("worst in C1") - yet Phil can obtain a significantly superior image?
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #105 on: December 10, 2013, 12:03:35 pm »

How can it be that Erik finds such awful noise in the IQ260 image - using Phase One's own softawre no less ("worst in C1") - yet Phil can obtain a significantly superior image?

I'm sure he used luminance noise to compensate, sharpening as well.

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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #106 on: December 10, 2013, 12:44:57 pm »

Noise reduction was up from 50 to 58 (50 is "neutral") on the previous above image..

here it is at ZERO...
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #107 on: December 10, 2013, 01:02:50 pm »

Hi,

My images are here: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Articles/CBTest/

The settings used are enclosed below.

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Erik


Noise reduction was up from 50 to 58 (50 is "neutral") on the previous above image..

here it is at ZERO...
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #108 on: December 10, 2013, 01:16:19 pm »

Looks like you are pushing the image. Perhaps that is what you are testing for...?

but the settings I have a re close to "asshot" with minor tweaks.

(what a hyphen can do?!)
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #109 on: December 10, 2013, 01:30:27 pm »

Hi,

I simply adjusted the images to taste. My taste. I have done it for all three images. WB was on white passepartout on one of the prints on the wall. After that I adjusted windows to get some detail, adjusted blacks so I get some blacks, pushed shadows to get shadow detail. That is what I do for all my images.

Best regards
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Looks like you are pushing the image. Perhaps that is what you are testing for...?

but the settings I have a re close to "asshot" with minor tweaks.

(what a hyphen can do?!)

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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2013, 01:39:48 pm »

So perhaps the file is less flexible when compared. That can often be important when editing.  I simply tried to bring the HL details and expose the Blacks to taste.
I like the blade effect on the Christmas lights. Oh and I also like Chris's taste, a Herman Miller fan and a nice movie selection...perhaps we can start a rental program for the flix?  :-P
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #111 on: December 10, 2013, 01:58:00 pm »

Well, comparing LR5 and Capture One it was the same file.

Also, I was probably one of the first Lightroom buyers. It is a program invented for me! I was in progress of writing something similar to Lightroom, so for me it was like revelation! I have used LR since Beta 3. I own Capture 1 but we don't make friends, so you can say I have bias for LR.

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Erik

So perhaps the file is less flexible when compared. That can often be important when editing.  I simply tried to bring the HL details and expose the Blacks to taste.
I like the blade effect on the Christmas lights. Oh and I also like Chris's taste, a Herman Miller fan and a nice movie selection...perhaps we can start a rental program for the flix?  :-P
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2013, 02:37:15 pm »

Antonio, Phil, Erik,

Thank you for the clarification.
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2013, 06:39:07 pm »

Erik,

Your settings introduce a blue magenta tone into the bookcase....

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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2013, 06:55:45 pm »

Hi,

I just used the passepartout in the image below for WB, that is all I did (both LR and C1). As I said, I am not a C1 user. I have had it for something like half a year, and process some images with it.

I would suggest it doesn't affect noise levels. I did not do LCC correction in LR5, because I did not get it working.

Best regards
Erik


Erik,

Your settings introduce a blue magenta tone into the bookcase....


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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2013, 06:58:53 pm »

Actually that blue color for the bookcase is correct.

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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2013, 01:52:55 am »

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Actually that blue color for the bookcase is correct.

thanks for that calrification. It was isolated, so it makes sense..

It hadnet caught my attention unil I saw Eriks download image. Should have cross checked :-)
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #117 on: December 11, 2013, 03:56:24 am »

Actually that blue color for the bookcase is correct.

Chirs,

Next time you do these samples would you please paint the bookcase in a dark brown?  It would make color checking easier.

Also it would be greatly appreciated if you added some fill light to balance the windows, a little more stylized propping and for me one or two models so I can compare skintones.

Oh yea, since you were running your RED sound would also be appreciated to add to the ambience.

I look forward to this and thanks in advance.

BC
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #118 on: December 11, 2013, 10:33:25 am »

Chris,

Would be easier if you just sent me the cameras per UPS - I promise I will return them promptly in 2 months :)

On second thoughts, thank you for posting a test which I would have found hard to do myself ... even if you had sent me the hardware.

Edmund

Chirs,

Next time you do these samples would you please paint the bookcase in a dark brown?  It would make color checking easier.

Also it would be greatly appreciated if you added some fill light to balance the windows, a little more stylized propping and for me one or two models so I can compare skintones.

Oh yea, since you were running your RED sound would also be appreciated to add to the ambience.

I look forward to this and thanks in advance.

BC
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Re: Another Stupid Camera Test: IQ 260 / A7r / 5d2 / Epic
« Reply #119 on: December 11, 2013, 12:19:14 pm »

To put it simply, this "stupid camera test" with stupid raw files got me convinced on the a A7r! Amazon has it for less than $2300.
Stupid test, stupid cameras, stupid buyers....eh! Whadaya gonna do?! :-)

Thanks Chris.
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