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Christoph C. Feldhaim

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A challenge for our Deconvolution specialists ....
« on: November 22, 2013, 12:40:25 pm »

I got this link today:

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/labs/imager/tr/2013/SimpleLensImaging/

I wonder if any of you would be able and interested to make a usable software out of this.
These students seem to have made a leap in PSF estimation and usage for computational aberration elimination.
Thought I'd drop it here - who knows whats coming out of this ...
Maybe you might not buy your next Otus ....  ;)

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Re: A challenge for our Deconvolution specialists ....
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2013, 03:29:00 pm »

To me this seems theoretically interesting but not practical, at least with a simple planoconvex lens.

Many high quality lenses are cheap.
     normal primes
     supertelephoto mirror

Smaller chips are cheap enough that dichroic prisms with 3 chips can be used eliminating many of the toughest problems

I would rather use deconvolution on a $200-500 lens than start with a piece of junk to save a few dollars. Especially if I will be using that piece of junk for many years. It is false economy.
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Re: A challenge for our Deconvolution specialists ....
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2013, 03:37:38 pm »

It still should allow enhancing the performance of the gear you already have.

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Re: A challenge for our Deconvolution specialists ....
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 01:01:12 am »

Hi,

Deconvolution is nothing new. There are two problems with deconvolution:

- the PSF is seldom known
- Deconvolution often causes ringing artefacts

There are cases where the PSF can be guessed. One is defocus. In this case PSF is a disk. That disk is somewhat affected by the way spherical aberration is corrected.  The other case is diffraction, where a gaussian works well as a first order approximation.

The Smart Sharpen filter in PS in 'more accurate' mode uses deconvolution, with the above mentioned PFS called lens blur respectively gaussian blur. So for focusing errors you would use lens blur and for diffraction you would use gaussian blur.

There is something called blind deconvolution, where the PSF is not known, but estimated from the image itself.

There is a very good tool called Focus Magic the enclosed image was deconvolution sharpened in LR and Focus Magic was applied on the framed parts. Original image is an attempt to get infinite focus on a Distagon 40/4 FLE at small aperture (f/16 - f/22) on my P45+.

It still should allow enhancing the performance of the gear you already have.
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Re: A challenge for our Deconvolution specialists ....
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2013, 01:35:09 am »

Hi,

Deconvolution is nothing new. There are two problems with deconvolution:

- the PSF is seldom known
- Deconvolution often causes ringing artefacts

There are cases where the PSF can be guessed. One is defocus. In this case PSF is a disk. That disk is somewhat affected by the way spherical aberration is corrected.  The other case is diffraction, where a gaussian works well as a first order approximation.

The Smart Sharpen filter in PS in 'more accurate' mode uses deconvolution, with the above mentioned PFS called lens blur respectively gaussian blur. So for focusing errors you would use lens blur and for diffraction you would use gaussian blur.

There is something called blind deconvolution, where the PSF is not known, but estimated from the image itself.

There is a very good tool called Focus Magic the enclosed image was deconvolution sharpened in LR and Focus Magic was applied on the framed parts. Original image is an attempt to get infinite focus on a Distagon 40/4 FLE at small aperture (f/16 - f/22) on my P45+.


Erik, have you actual followed the link above and read what these guys are doing?
What you are telling me here is well known, I myself am using Topaz InFocus in its guessing mode.

What these guys do is something new:

They determine the PSFs across the whole image with a calibration shot beforehand.
You can use this calibration to remove aberrations after the image is taken.
You can, of course do this for every F-Stop.
And they do it differently, depending on the color channel.
Its not the usual way how deconvolution sharpening is applied, and I believe what they do makes sense and is new.
Its not meant to remove defocus errors after the fact though.
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