But you don't want to discuss the topic anymore, and only post diversions to distract from what has been said.
Not sure if you completely missed the point being made or are wriggling like crazy so as not to admit you made a mistake. One you hypocritically criticised others for. And claiming anything that others on LuLa posts that conflicts with you or your quotes is off topic is tiresome.
What was said is that Garry Winogrand, an authoritative source. on multiple occasions and in various ways stated that photographs are not reality, are not the scene photographed, and (his word) are an illusion.
You say Winogrand is wrong, stating "illusion is the wrong word. Representation is what should be used." But you are not the authoritative voice that Winogrand is...
Give it a rest with the tedious and incessant quoting of others. Seeing as the people on this forum have views that are apparently completely worthless in your opinion, despite your knowing nothing about anyone here, why do you bother with us ignorant and unauthoritative plebs?
Your constant copying and pasting of other people's opinions only seems to indicate you have nothing of your own to offer.
Such as ....
Again I'll rely on Winogrand as the authoritative voice:
Why, simply because he agrees with you? And somehow you think that proves something.
Regardless of how poorly you might understand English word usage, that isn't the topic here. Photography and the analysis of photographs is the topic..
Once again with the hypocrisy. When you aren't quoting someone or critiquing their non-standard English, you are complaining on about personal attacks yet are quite happy to do just that yourself.
And as for my supposed lack of English ability, when I queried that illusion was the wrong word, the fact that it may have first been used in that context by someone else only shows that both of you
are misusing the word and certainly not that I didn't realise it was the only relevant voice on photography that made the error. Because you and this God like photographer used 'illusion' in a certain way, then the rest of the English speaking world must be wrong, is what you now seem to be saying.
I'm guessing that the real reason for your recent arrival and the sudden deluge of posts on LuLa is to sneer at us stupid people because you've made yourself very unwelcome at other online locations.
You will now be put on the ignore list.