Adobe has blinked!

[vjbelle]

Is this offer on the Adobe site?  I can't find it. 

[jjj]

Seems like it will be available when LR 5.2 is released.

[jrp]

The issue there is the concept of versions has gone with CC, so to then do CC2/CCC would upset even more people.

I understand that that is what they say, but what's to stop them introducing a CC Extended version, say, into which they put any new features?  Remember, the people who would be upset have little alternative, once they are renting, and Adobe assumes that it will have only about half of its current users on rental, so there are no signs that they attach importance to avoiding upsetting people.

[madmanchan]

Is this offer on the Adobe site?  I can't find it. 

The reason it's not on the main Adobe page yet is because it's not yet available for purchase.  However, you can read about the announcement here

http://blogs.adobe.com/creativelayer/introducing-the-photoshop-photography-program/

and a FAQ here

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#pslr-bundle

[madmanchan]

The points raised about price guarantees (in particular, the fact that they're not being guaranteed forever in the new plan) are well taken.  Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer for you on that.  Adobe is basically saying, "We intend to keep the price at 9.99/mo for the foreseeable future, but we're not guaranteeing it'll remain at that price forever."  It's the same type of arrangement regarding Lightroom's perpetual license:  "We intend to keep offering Lightroom via a perpetual license for the foreseeable future, but we're not guaranteeing it'll remain that way forever."

Speaking from my personal point of view, I really do see both sides of this argument.  It's a natural tension, frankly. 

[vjbelle]

Eric,

Appreciate the clarification.

Victor

[jjj]

I understand that that is what they say, but what's to stop them introducing a CC Extended version, say, into which they put any new features?  Remember, the people who would be upset have little alternative, once they are renting, and Adobe assumes that it will have only about half of its current users on rental, so there are no signs that they attach importance to avoiding upsetting people.

Except extending CC, the whole point of which is to include everything and all updates, would be particularly difficult.
Doing a 2 programmes, 3 programmes, all programmes versions of CC makes more sense though.

[JimGoshorn]

IMHO, I think that the idea of multiple offerings makes the most sense. Adobe could offer 1, 5, 10 and full subscriptions where the user selects what apps/services they want in the package. They had multiple creative suites, so I don't understand why they can't do multiple packages in the cloud.

Jim

[Steve Weldon]

Speaking from my personal point of view, I really do see both sides of this argument.  It's a natural tension, frankly. 

We appreciate you volunteering to be the pinata..  ]

One more thing.   With CS3 or better.   Are academic versions acceptable?

[Manoli]

Eric Chan / Mike Chambers

I've read this query several times and can't find a definitive reply.

Can you clarify whether a CS3 / CS6 user who transfers to this new CC Ps/Lr/Be bundle RETAINS their old licence to the CS product (and their right to install it on up to 2 machines) or does the upgrade/cross-grade to CC invalidate the old licence ?

[Simon Garrett]

Eric Chan / Mike Chambers

I've read this query several times and can't find a definitive reply.

Can you clarify whether a CS3 / CS6 user who transfers to this new CC Ps/Lr/Be bundle RETAINS their old licence to the CS product (and their right to install it on up to 2 machines) or does the upgrade/cross-grade to CC invalidate the old licence ?

I asked this question on the Adobe chat site today and got this answer.  I quote it in full, so you can pick out the relevant bits, but I think the answer is "yes", you keep the old licence:

Simon Garrett: If I ever leave CC, will my existing perpetual licence to Photoshop still work, and will I still be able to activate it?
McNeil: Simon.
McNeil: You can use the CS6 same as before and it will not be affected.
McNeil: If in case you leave the CC in future, you'll not get the same offer however, as long as you like to use the software, the price will not change.
McNeil: It'll be a permanent price for you.
McNeil: Once you stop it, the price will be regenerated and changed to higher price.
McNeil: Regarding your CS6, it will not be affected.
McNeil: So, it is applicable to use same as how you've it .

[Manoli]

Thanks for the input, Simon.
Yes, it would appear that your old CS3/6 licence remains valid.
Would still be good if either Eric or Mike could confirm this in an unambiguous statement.

[Morris Taub]

I asked this question on the Adobe chat site today and got this answer.  I quote it in full, so you can pick out the relevant bits, but I think the answer is "yes", you keep the old licence:

Simon Garrett: If I ever leave CC, will my existing perpetual licence to Photoshop still work, and will I still be able to activate it?
McNeil: Simon.
McNeil: You can use the CS6 same as before and it will not be affected.
McNeil: If in case you leave the CC in future, you'll not get the same offer however, as long as you like to use the software, the price will not change.
McNeil: It'll be a permanent price for you.
McNeil: Once you stop it, the price will be regenerated and changed to higher price.
McNeil: Regarding your CS6, it will not be affected.
McNeil: So, it is applicable to use same as how you've it .

Is McNeil someone who works for Adobe? He is saying that the initial price won't ever change. You buy in for 10 a month and so long as you don't stop the subscription it will never go up. I wonder if someone can confirm. Eric? Mike?

[jrp]

The points raised about price guarantees (in particular, the fact that they're not being guaranteed forever in the new plan) are well taken.  Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer for you on that.  Adobe is basically saying, "We intend to keep the price at 9.99/mo for the foreseeable future, but we're not guaranteeing it'll remain at that price forever."  It's the same type of arrangement regarding Lightroom's perpetual license:  "We intend to keep offering Lightroom via a perpetual license for the foreseeable future, but we're not guaranteeing it'll remain that way forever."

Speaking from my personal point of view, I really do see both sides of this argument.  It's a natural tension, frankly. 

Thanks Eric.  That is clear.  There is, however, a basic difference between the PS and LR arrangements in that if I have LR on a perpetual license I can continue to use it without paying extra, even if terms for future purchasers are changed; with PS rental if the price goes up and I don't want to pay the extra, I am high and dry.

[Vladimirovich]

Eric Chan / Mike Chambers

I've read this query several times and can't find a definitive reply.

Can you clarify whether a CS3 / CS6 user who transfers to this new CC Ps/Lr/Be bundle RETAINS their old licence to the CS product (and their right to install it on up to 2 machines) or does the upgrade/cross-grade to CC invalidate the old licence ?

why do you want to bug a technical specialist (Eric) w/ such questions - his time better spent in technical topics !

[MikeChambers]

Eric Chan / Mike Chambers

I've read this query several times and can't find a definitive reply.

Can you clarify whether a CS3 / CS6 user who transfers to this new CC Ps/Lr/Be bundle RETAINS their old licence to the CS product (and their right to install it on up to 2 machines) or does the upgrade/cross-grade to CC invalidate the old licence ?

It doesn't affect your old perpetual license. You could continue to use it, even if you stopped your CC membership.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com

[Simon Garrett]

Is McNeil someone who works for Adobe? He is saying that the initial price won't ever change. You buy in for 10 a month and so long as you don't stop the subscription it will never go up. I wonder if someone can confirm. Eric? Mike?

This was a transcript from a chat session with customer service on the Adobe web site, so I think we can say with some certainty that McNeil works for Adobe (or speaks with their authority). 

[Morris Taub]

This was a transcript from a chat session with customer service on the Adobe web site, so I think we can say with some certainty that McNeil works for Adobe (or speaks with their authority). 

Hi Simon, thanks...

[Jack Hogan]

A step in the right direction (the upgrade from CS3) but otherwise not much changed for those of us who do not use/like LR.

Jack

[Steve House]

This was a transcript from a chat session with customer service on the Adobe web site, so I think we can say with some certainty that McNeil works for Adobe (or speaks with their authority). 

I would be very surprised if "McNeil" was truly an Adobe employee.  In fact I would be very surprised if he has ever met an actual Adobe employee face-to-face.  More likely he is a droid employed by a call-centre company contracted to Adobe to provide customer support.  He likely has a script he must follow else he lose his job and he turns to a predetermined response based on keywords embedded in the contact's question.  If the question hasn't already had a predetermined response programmed into the script, he would be powerless to do anything at all and wouldn't even know who to call to begin researching an answer.