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Ilford Imaging: the end!
« on: July 31, 2013, 07:05:13 am »

Yesterday, I just got the news that Ilford Imaging failed to find a solution to its financial problems and bankruptcy will be declared very soon.

The translated article (via Google Translate) is here.

The original article is here.

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 02:40:46 pm »

Most unfortunate, but it isn't over till it's over. Maybe under bankruptcy protection for a while they will find a solution for a rebirth.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 07:16:17 pm »

Most unfortunate, but it isn't over till it's over. Maybe under bankruptcy protection for a while they will find a solution for a rebirth.
I sure hope so.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2013, 05:23:22 am »

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/pressroom/article.asp?n=170

Ilford Photo and Ilford Imaging are different companies. Ilford Imaging in Marly, Switzerland is or was the manufacturer of the Ilford paper range such as Gold Fibre Silk and other fine papers.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 10:35:07 am »

I spoke to the owner of my local camera shop about this yesterday.  They are a big retailer of Ilford ink jet paper,  as well as the other big names.   He told me his USA supplier told him the bankruptcy was part of a reorganization plan, much like GM.   Hopefully he is right!  I am about to test some Ilford paper on my new Canon Pro-100.   
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 11:53:23 am »

I spoke to the owner of my local camera shop about this yesterday.  They are a big retailer of Ilford ink jet paper,  as well as the other big names.   He told me his USA supplier told him the bankruptcy was part of a reorganization plan, much like GM.   Hopefully he is right!  I am about to test some Ilford paper on my new Canon Pro-100.   

He's probably right to the extent that bankruptcy protection is an umbrella under which to reorganize and emerge afresh with a clean balance sheet. The ominous factor about this one however is that during the period of receivership they were unable to find a strategic investor. Maybe if the price sinks low enough it will happen.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 03:06:00 pm »

Ok.. This Thread is getting Comical..First off If They are Shut down at The plant.. That Means Nothing is being made..So If you use that product than stock up...Nothing is Ever the Same.. Ever.. Again..If its Made there.. If a New Operation Comes in To Run the Plant.. who Knows If it was shut down properly or formulated The Same..Or If Its even the same paper making machine..Just my .02 worth here..My recco Is To Start the process of looking a replacement products.. ;)

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2013, 04:57:19 pm »

Jim, my thoughts too. On the other hand replacements that are too close in appearance could come from the same source...so supply may dry up as fast.

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2013, 10:04:16 pm »

Ok.. This Thread is getting Comical..First off If They are Shut down at The plant.. That Means Nothing is being made..So If you use that product than stock up...Nothing is Ever the Same.. Ever.. Again..If its Made there.. If a New Operation Comes in To Run the Plant.. who Knows If it was shut down properly or formulated The Same..Or If Its even the same paper making machine..Just my .02 worth here..My recco Is To Start the process of looking a replacement products.. ;)

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The thread isn't getting comical - it's serious and has commercial implications for photographers who like those products. Some of the paper at least, Gold Fibre Silk for example is actually manufactured in Germany, but that makes no difference. If it's their IP, its fate *as an Ilford product* probably depends on what happens to the company. Of course, under bankruptcy protection there can be either a reoriganization and strategic investment, or a sell-off of the IP, in which case a buyer could resume manufacture - but all of that is so uncertain at this point, That said, you can also buy Cansom Baryta Photographic which replaces it almost identically. There's a reason for that but I'm not sure it's public domain knowledge. Your advice to stock-up makes sense because once their stock runs out, if there is no effecitve competition for certain finishes, the prices of the nearest substitutes are likely to be increased. There is a history to that.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 04:30:31 am »

Some of the paper at least, Gold Fibre Silk for example is actually manufactured in Germany, but that makes no difference. If it's their IP, its fate *as an Ilford product* probably depends on what happens to the company. That said, you can also buy Canson Baryta Photographic which replaces it almost identically. There's a reason for that but I'm not sure it's public domain knowledge.

I would say make it public domain. That is in the interest of the forum members here. Other distributors could make alternatives available if they know the manufacturer that could deliver it. I could guess that it is either Sihl that does the coating or Felix Schoeller that can make the complete paper inline in its plant in Weissenborn, eastern Germany, specialised in Baryta papers. But that is speculation.

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 04:37:47 am »

There are some very good alternatives who looks like, nearly the same.
But we (Distributor) don´t promote it at this time.
lford is not dead at this point and therefore we will wait what happen with the product range.

Jimmy, looking around is o.k. - do you know the "MediaJet ArtistLine" range?

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2013, 05:12:27 am »

There is no reason to hide your treasures Oliver or treasures from other distributors:

The Ilford GFS is easily replaced with the Canson Baryta Photographique, Bonjet Atelier Fibre, Mediajet PhotoArt White Baryta. All 310 gsm. Similar spectral plot.
Two papers that come close in spectral plot but cotton based so most likely from another source: Breathing Color Vibrance Rag 310 gsm and Pictorico GKR Pro B&W Cotton Gloss 265 gsm.

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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 08:00:17 am »


lford is not dead at this point and therefore we will wait what happen with the product range.

The fate (bankruptcy or SC) of Ilford Imaging will be decided on the 19th of August. That's the latest news. The employees have not yet been laid off.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 08:36:23 am »

Ok.. This Thread is getting Comical..First off If They are Shut down at The plant.. That Means Nothing is being made..So If you use that product than stock up...Nothing is Ever the Same.. Ever.. Again..If its Made there.. If a New Operation Comes in To Run the Plant.. who Knows If it was shut down properly or formulated The Same..Or If Its even the same paper making machine..Just my .02 worth here..My recco Is To Start the process of looking a replacement products.. ;)

Jim Doyle
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If you weren't so blatantly 'talking your book' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  If you wrote with some measure of literacy and not in broken 'text-speak' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  Absent, at least, those two things, your comments are pretty comical.  If I used Ilford papers I may look around for alternatives but it certainly wouldn't be to Shades of Paper.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 11:30:01 am »

Jim sells Ilford and other brands. I do not think he gains anything with his comments and gives good advice; stock and look for alternatives. The subject is serious enough and I do not think Jim sees it otherwise. That he finds it comical when people try to be optimistic about Ilford's fate I can understand, this is not coming out of the blue.

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 12:20:16 pm »

Bob, I buy alot of Ilford and other papers from Jim Doyle, I have never known him to give other than straight advice. Ernst is right.

If you can't deal with his writing style, by all means, buy elsewhere- it's your loss, but of course, YMMV

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If you weren't so blatantly 'talking your book' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  If you wrote with some measure of literacy and not in broken 'text-speak' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  Absent, at least, those two things, your comments are pretty comical.  If I used Ilford papers I may look around for alternatives but it certainly wouldn't be to Shades of Paper.
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Re: Ilford Imaging: the end!
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2013, 02:33:35 pm »

If you weren't so blatantly 'talking your book' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  If you wrote with some measure of literacy and not in broken 'text-speak' it might be possible to take your comments seriously.  Absent, at least, those two things, your comments are pretty comical.  If I used Ilford papers I may look around for alternatives but it certainly wouldn't be to Shades of Paper.

Bob, it's not clear to me how the thread gains information value from this kind of commentary. This is a forum for serious users where of course differences of opinion are half the fun, but not personal attacks.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2013, 02:42:10 pm »

I would say make it public domain. That is in the interest of the forum members here. Other distributors could make alternatives available if they know the manufacturer that could deliver it. I could guess that it is either Sihl that does the coating or Felix Schoeller that can make the complete paper inline in its plant in Weissenborn, eastern Germany, specialised in Baryta papers. But that is speculation.

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If one is told something in confidence, that's the rules. Sorry. All I can convey is that there is good reason to consider IGFS and Canson BP pretty much the same thing. And empirically I have used both interchangeably even with the same profile; the feel and the results are so close to identical most people wouldn't notice any difference at all. OK? People can take my word for it or disregard it as they please.
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