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Re: Cooter
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2013, 06:51:22 PM »



But, I don't think it is officially a Ferrari: named for Enzo's son, I believe that though it carried Dino, the Ferrari word wasn't there on the original cars. I think some owners bought the F names and added them post.

This may be a factoid. Whatever, not a lot of people knows that, as Alfie was wont to say.

Enjoyed the film; had a Fiat X1/9 for a couple of years (almost), and when I discovered the alloys had been contaminated at the factory by added weights straight onto the rims and that I would have to buy four new ones, I bought the Alfa instead. Had that for less than a year and sold it when we left to come here. If they had put the Alfa boxer into the Fiat it would have been fantastic. Oh, and built it (the X/9) from steel, not sardine tins.

Of course, then I probably wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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I've heard that it was originally a design for a different brand. Great drive though...

The real really lovely Dino was this one:



Had one in the family... would have kept it but I grew too much and can't fit in it and turn the steering wheel at the same time ;)
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2013, 06:59:48 PM »


Actually, if I recall correctly, it was more people leaving voluntarily after the censorship that ensued from the JesusCam thread. Voluntary exile, if you will.


Steve Hendrix
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Intrigued by this, I searched www.robgalbraith.com for "JesusCam" and just plain "Jesus". No matches whatsoever.

Whatever that thread was, it must have been so terrible that it has been completely expunged from history!

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« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2013, 07:06:11 PM »

The 308 GT4 is indeed a real Ferrari, but not highly considered by the purists.
In fact Dino was a brand in itself that was created to produce cars with less than 12 cylinders
(and less than 12 cylinders by the purists is an heresy).

When the Dino brand disapeared, it was fully incorporated into Ferrari and the 308 GT 4
was a real Ferrari but not with the 12 cylinder engine, "only" a little V8.
However, this is an incredible car, very stable, superbly built and engineered, and the most affordable
Ferrari for someone who wants to start into the brand at "low-budget".
A car for rebuild can be found at 8.000 euros, and the ones in perfect conditions are about 20.000 euros.
The fuel is 20 liters/100 km
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2013, 10:10:32 PM »

What I got told when I lived in Italy was that the Dino was an affordable Ferrari, but it became the pimpmobile of choice precisely because it was affordable whereupon the company dropped the idea of affordability. Ony in Italy, I guess; these days BMW does quite well out of being the wheels of choice for drug dealers. Now, that ought to be enough car-brand-offensive innuendo for a day - can we get back to maligning MF cameras, viewing beautiful images and  maybe prepare for an exclusive report from James about the state of our art in these times of less people with more money?

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Re: Cooter
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2013, 03:42:11 PM »

It was like a scene from Radars Of The Lost Arc.

Radars? As in speed trap? Or was this a Freudian slip for Raiders of the Lost Ark?

That's what you get when you are posting to LuLa on your mobile phone while speeding on the 10. Spellcheck is a bitch!

:~)
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2013, 04:06:40 PM »



IMO

BC


*FYI once again your data is skewed.  

Fast driving is not the number one road hazard or cause of traffic deaths.

First is distracted driving, second is drug/alcohol use, third is fatigue and fourth is speeding.

Just thought you might want to update one of your charts.


Depends on how you look at this... When speeding can't be proved fatigue or distraction is the best excuse to choose.

Anyway even if speeding is the fourth cause of traffic death... does that some how make you a model citizen behind the wheel while speeding at 95mph?
I wonder what you were driving....
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2013, 04:59:19 PM »

Man... country music makes me want to stab my earholes.


no relevance intended.

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2013, 05:29:55 PM »

Man... country music makes me want to stab my earholes.


no relevance intended.

I hope your talking about the nasty over commercialized type with an overdose of patriotism and exaggerated truck/gun pride.

Aside from that there is some very beautiful country/folk music. It can be a bit hard to find, but it's out there.

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Re: Cooter
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2013, 10:11:57 PM »

 "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." („Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.“)
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2013, 09:43:29 AM »

Fast driving is not the big cause of road deaths.

Look at Germany highways. Very well known.

Slow driving actually allows bad drivers to...,well, drive, but with less concentration.

Then , the disaster comes when you put in the hands of the bad-slow-drivers, or wanabee 16 years old guy, a fast car.
Like the "nouveau riche" with money.

It would costs me way less to insure a Ferrari now that when I started to drive a wreak at my 18'.
According to insurance statistics, real sports cars in the hand of more than 35 years old drivers hardly have accidents.

Now...listening to country music inside a Ferrari ? Boooo.

Ps: in fact the real noise of this Prius is similar to my girlfriend electric dildo noise "zzzzzzzzzzz"
It would suits well with Pat Boone. This zzzzzz.
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2013, 09:53:04 AM »

Fred... you're awesome, Man.

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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2013, 09:56:27 AM »

Oh, thanks Chris.

That's what I'm trying my girlfriend to admit, but it's not working so far. (maybe because of the zzzzz dildo).

I will show her your post and say: "see?"

Don't delete it please.

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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2013, 10:26:39 AM »

Oh, thanks Chris.

That's what I'm trying my girlfriend to admit, but it's not working so far. (maybe because of the zzzzz dildo).

I will show her your post and say: "see?"

Don't delete it please.

I've heard that after the self-sufficient, infinitely repeatable and adjustable, perfection of electronic ... photography, it's difficult to go back to ... film :)

Edmund
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2013, 10:58:06 AM »

Fast driving is not the big cause of road deaths.

Look at Germany highways. Very well known.

Slow driving actually allows bad drivers to...,well, drive, but with less concentration.

Then , the disaster comes when you put in the hands of the bad-slow-drivers, or wanabee 16 years old guy, a fast car.
Like the "nouveau riche" with money.

...

Ps: in fact the real noise of this Prius is similar to my girlfriend electric dildo noise "zzzzzzzzzzz"
It would suits well with Pat Boone. This zzzzzz.

German highways: It is true there are a lot of crazy people. If any other technology would cause so many deads as driving, it would be instantly forbidden.

zzzzzzzzz-noise: The german author Johann Wolfgang von Goethe put the following words into the mouth of mephisto:

[... To lead the women, learn the special feeling!
Their everlasting aches and groans,
In thousand tones,
Have all one source, one mode of healing; …]
Exchange mode with point. The original text says the german word for point. It is an easy guess, which point was meant by Goethe.

[... Besonders lernt die Weiber führen;
Es ist ihr ewig Weh und Ach
So tausendfach
Aus einem Punkte zu kurieren, ...]

So the cure today seems to be the dildo. Men are not needed any longer. O tempora o mores.

Fortunately there are also girls who prefer the old fashioned way: Girls like Barbarella or Marina.

Rule number one – is that you gotta have fun:

Rule number two – be off topic.
Rule number three – be off topic.
...

Best,
Johannes
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2013, 11:47:15 AM »

Cool video. Great boys casting and concept. Enjoyed it.

I always find that still people going to motion have more hardtime in the editing aspect (and audio). Image are generally well acheived but montages are way too slow,
specially when mixed with music, they generaly lack rythm, percussion and election of takes and planes are "out" the story telling. (following a pattern of composition)
Don't know if this video has been done by "still crew" but it smells like. (the cutting doesn't always match what the music-emotion transmits and it's very typical)
This song and video have very powerfull editing options but it looks more like still pros work because they were not fully exploited in the motion lenguage during the entire lengh.
There are very good parts, right on the money, but then weak parts that break the buzz and look a little out or added at the last moment.
(maybe it's a motion crew, I don't know but reminds me more of dejà-vu with pros freshly to motion)

I've seen this in 99% of still imagery people going to motion, even after years.

That's why good editors are keys people within the pipeline, and not "photographers that use their studio FC" and are used to control everything, it doesn't work.
I would say that a good sound tech and a good editor are the 2 pilars, even more important that image quality or cc itself because it's generally the weakest always,
even with experienced crews.

Good example for inspiration study and not doing the typical "weaknesses" of still imagers, Take a look for ex at this dude: http://www.jonasakerlund.com/

That said: zzzzzzzz


 
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2013, 11:49:09 AM »

German highways: It is true there are a lot of crazy people. If any other technology would cause so many deads as driving, it would be instantly forbidden.Fortunately there are also girls who prefer the old fashioned way: Girls like Barbarella or Marina.

Best,
Johannes


1.  You mean, like guns?

2.  You have got to be joking: Barbarella broke a friggin' machine; you think it fortunate to mess with someone like that?


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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2013, 01:05:01 PM »

I'm told that the total budget of a music video is now around 10K Euro.
Not sure that really covers choreography rehearsals etc which is why I guess these things are mostly shot and assembled rather than really filmed. Of course, I'm sure that a woman and her EverReady Bunny, or Warhol Man in a close up can be done for less, which comforts my impression  that porn keeps getting better while music videos are going downhill :)

Edmund

Cool video. Great boys casting and concept. Enjoyed it.

I always find that still people going to motion have more hardtime in the editing aspect (and audio). Image are generally well acheived but montages are way too slow,
specially when mixed with music, they generaly lack rythm, percussion and election of takes and planes are "out" the story telling. (following a pattern of composition)
Don't know if this video has been done by "still crew" but it smells like. (the cutting doesn't always match what the music-emotion transmits and it's very typical)
This song and video have very powerfull editing options but it looks more like still pros work because they were not fully exploited in the motion lenguage during the entire lengh.
There are very good parts, right on the money, but then weak parts that break the buzz and look a little out or added at the last moment.
(maybe it's a motion crew, I don't know but reminds me more of dejà-vu with pros freshly to motion)

I've seen this in 99% of still imagery people going to motion, even after years.

That's why good editors are keys people within the pipeline, and not "photographers that use their studio FC" and are used to control everything, it doesn't work.
I would say that a good sound tech and a good editor are the 2 pilars, even more important that image quality or cc itself because it's generally the weakest always,
even with experienced crews.

Good example for inspiration study and not doing the typical "weaknesses" of still imagers, Take a look for ex at this dude: http://www.jonasakerlund.com/

That said: zzzzzzzz


 

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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2013, 01:14:00 PM »

I'm told that the total budget of a music video is now around 10K Euro.
Not sure that really covers choreography rehearsals etc which is why I guess these things are mostly shot and assembled rather than really filmed. Of course, I'm sure that a woman and her EverReady Bunny, or Warhol Man in a close up can be done for less, which comforts my impression  that porn keeps getting better while music videos are going downhill :)

Edmund


The average here is in between 7.000 and 20.000 for normal prod of musical clip (counting 4 minutes), so yeah, 10K is in the middle-low.
(1500-5000 per minute)
Of course this can jump fast to 100k to millions, but with the crisis...
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2013, 02:40:04 PM »



Every director I've respected spends as much time in the editorial bay as they do on set, probably more, because that's where the story comes together.

Where photographers have issues in editing their own video is the same issues we have in editing our portfolio, we are too invested in the imagery.  

The most difficult shot might not fit the story and probably should hit the floor, but since we are so attached to it, we can't help but insert it.  

So this may sound trite but to edit you have to get out of yourself and not look at the edit as the dp, director, editor, or client.

Absolutly. I think it's really a key point.

I also noticed that editing is a "god's gift". There are people born with natural capabilities for that, as in every craft and they can shine easily in it, while others
may learn during years and years, know all the rules and they never end to be really good at it.




A good director also has to be involved in the script, along with the dp, probably more involved than the writer.

Writing it on paper and making it come out on film are way different processes and sometimes just don't transfer.


Yeah, that's where I find generally the weakest parts (even in video crews). In the end, an editor can only work with the takes done. Going back to this music video,
watching it, I had "obvious takes" in mind that were "missing". Now...maybe they were missing because they were not shooted. That's the problem. So script
and pre-production are really keys in order to get the takes nailed for the story. (and that's where 4K red can be good to save lack of plans because we can crop)

What I find that is generally very weak with still imagery background pros, is a very limited sense of plans and angles in relation to storytelling and a really problematic
and recurrent problem with audio and music matching that is there in 99% of the prods that comes from still world. The cuttings are in general too slow, way too slow,
they tell or too much or not enough, or out of context (specially when rythm is needed) and they are more preocupated with this sacro saint
"image quality" and color corrections. They lite quite well, they color quite well but they have hardtime when it comes to motion lenguage and keep the buzz according
to the story intended, instead it's shy and too much time on similar takes.

Then, there is another issue wich is "trying to do it too well" under pressure and that's when things get bad and cutting end to be boring for too much conservatism
and desire to not failure. Precisely, the worry of not failing makes the failure guarantee.

It does not happen in high-end video or cine crews because they are used to big chalenges and pressure and it's done within a "daily routine". It happens more
to still crowds because they aren't confident enough and they want to make it good, forgetting the necesary fun and distance.

I still find that probably your best editing (published, don't know the unpublished) is the car race with the 5D2. And I think it's because you kept it fresh, fluid, organic,
and no pressure to client X or Y. So in the end, it's your intuition and not reason(able) that was involved. You had fun.

Ps: and it's funny, in the end, we can discuss gear, lenses and so on, but I never watch a movie with the "image quality" in mind. If it's a 5D2 or a Red or Aaton or Gopro.
It really doesn't matter. What yes matters is the audio and the cutting.
A bad audio and a bad cutting would completly ruin the experience, while a Red vs Alexa would be completly irrelevant.
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Re: Cooter
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2013, 02:44:38 PM »

"The most difficult shot might not fit the story and probably should hit the floor, but since we are so attached to it, we can't help but insert it.  "

Absolutely. You get precious and hang on to things that aren't needed. I always show a rough edit to a friend in the business and he will imidiately spot what needs to go and is quite ruthless but the end product is always better for it.
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