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bwana

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dibond
« on: April 03, 2013, 11:51:26 pm »

i've never worked with metal as a mounting substrate and wonder what advantage it would have over foam board. i'd like to try it and would use elmer's extra strong spray adhesive that i currently use. which supplier would you recommend?
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Re: dibond
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 09:02:21 am »

I wrote an article about this on this website.
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Re: dibond
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 12:48:12 pm »

found it here
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/mounting_prints_on_aluminium_composite.shtml

and the text about mounting says:
 The image is mounted to the aluminium sheet using GBC Duramount, a water-based adhesive, with neutral pH and no solvents. The image, the adhesive and the mount are fed through a cold press to assure a perfect seal with no air bubbles.

The picture shows a MASSIVE machine

I do not have such a large press nor access to one.

I would be using elmer's extra strength adhesive and a brayer. Will this work on aluminum? Obviously your experience vast and greater than mine. Do you have any stories of what has NOT worked attaching pictures to dibond? Where do you get the dibond (cheapest source?)
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Re: dibond
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 08:34:25 pm »

Piedmont carries Dibond and a few cheaper clones.  The generic term is "ACM" or Aluminum Composite Material.  I buy a very nice brushed aluminum Dibond clone for about $81 for a 4 x 8 foot x 3mm sheet.  Your distributor may or may not be willing to make precision cuts for you, but if so they'll chop up a 4 x 8 foot sheet into 4 or so pieces for about $10.  Plan on sanding the sides for best appearance.

You don't really need a super laminator for infrequent use.  I have used something similar to this dirtball device with good success, although considering the general trend towards cheapification in imports who can say if the quality is still adequate.  Word of warning...you should have 2 people available, and don't pause mid way in the process or you risk a visible dent in the print.  A good motorized laminator with tensioned feeds avoids a lot of potential problems and that's what you should have for routine use.

Personally, I have very low confidence in adhesive bonds, and not without reason.  I mounted hundreds of paper and RC prints to aluminum, stainless steel, and latex coated boards in the 70's, and every one of the surviving examples I know about has completely delaminated.  Many of the hand mounted RC prints I mounted to foamcore a few years ago have developed bubbles, which is a problem that may trace to too much moisture in the print and backing at the time of mounting.  Your laminating technique and materials need to be top notch to avoid headaches down the road.
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Re: dibond
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 11:27:27 pm »

found it here
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/mounting_prints_on_aluminium_composite.shtml

and the text about mounting says:
 The image is mounted to the aluminium sheet using GBC Duramount, a water-based adhesive, with neutral pH and no solvents. The image, the adhesive and the mount are fed through a cold press to assure a perfect seal with no air bubbles.

The picture shows a MASSIVE machine

I do not have such a large press nor access to one.

I would be using elmer's extra strength adhesive and a brayer. Will this work on aluminum? Obviously your experience vast and greater than mine. Do you have any stories of what has NOT worked attaching pictures to dibond? Where do you get the dibond (cheapest source?)

Yes, that is the article, and yes you are right, a big machine. They are a commercial outfit doing this to perfection and won't take chances with clients' art. I have no idea whether the materials you propose would work properly and how long they would hold. Also, I have no special knowledge about where to buy the dibond, but the stuff the firm I dealt with uses is available - you can find it on the internet.
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