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Rob C

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2040 on: October 19, 2016, 04:30:54 pm »

A nice, inviting little doorway to the underworld. Just the ticket when feeling depressed! Cheers me up every time.



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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2041 on: October 19, 2016, 05:12:36 pm »

Behind this doorway there be dragons? Or maybe trolls (the Norse kind, not the Internet kind).
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2042 on: October 19, 2016, 05:22:56 pm »

Behind this doorway there be dragons? Or maybe trolls (the Norse kind, not the Internet kind).


I never ventured inside, Eric; I couldn't decide if the demons had fled, or were just lazy and overconfident about security on returning just before dawn from terrorising the tourists. (Might even be a Brexit-based decision.) It could explain the pavement pizzas, the kerbside kebabs. Either way, the rats and wolf spiders would be just as happy at the scent of fresh flesh.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2043 on: October 19, 2016, 08:34:50 pm »

Rob,

You might want to post a sign on that gate that says "This way to Brexit!"   ;)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2044 on: October 20, 2016, 05:25:48 am »

Rob,

You might want to post a sign on that gate that says "This way to Brexit!"   ;)


That would mean getting closer in... but an excellent allegory, nonetheless!

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2045 on: October 20, 2016, 08:39:41 am »

There are the gates of the ways of Night and Day,[2]
 fitted above with a lintel and below with a threshold of stone.
 They themselves, high in the air, are closed by mighty doors,
 and Avenging Justice keeps the keys that fit them.
 Her did the maidens entreat with gentle words
 and cunningly persuade to unfasten without demur the bolted bars
 from the gates. Then, when the doors were thrown back,
 they disclosed a wide opening,
 when their brazen posts fitted with rivets and nails
 swung back one after the other. Straight through them,
 on the broad way, did the maidens guide the horses and the car,
 and the goddess greeted me kindly, and took
 my right hand in hers, and spake to me these words:

Welcome, O youth, that comest to my abode on the car
 that bears thee tended by immortal charioteers!
 It is no ill chance, but right and justice that has sent thee forth to travel
 on this way. Far, indeed, does it lie from the beaten track of men!
 Meet it is that thou shouldst learn all things,
 as well the unshaken heart of well-rounded truth,
 as the opinions of mortals in which is no true belief at all.
 Yet none the less shalt thou learn these things also,—how passing right
 through all things one should judge the things that seem to be.[3]

[...]
Come now, I will tell thee—and do thou hearken to my saying and carry it away—
the only two ways of search that can be thought of.
 The first, namely, that It is, and that it is impossible for it not to be,
 is the way of belief, for truth is its companion.
 The other, namely, that It is not, and that it must needs not be,—
that, I tell thee, is a path that none can learn of at all.
 For thou canst not know what is not—that is impossible—
nor utter it; . . .
 . . . for it is the same thing that can be thought and that can be.[4]
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2046 on: October 20, 2016, 09:24:49 am »

There are the gates of the ways of Night and Day,[2]
 fitted above with a lintel and below with a threshold of stone.
 They themselves, high in the air, are closed by mighty doors,
 and Avenging Justice keeps the keys that fit them.
 Her did the maidens entreat with gentle words
 and cunningly persuade to unfasten without demur the bolted bars
 from the gates. Then, when the doors were thrown back,
 they disclosed a wide opening,
 when their brazen posts fitted with rivets and nails
 swung back one after the other. Straight through them,
 on the broad way, did the maidens guide the horses and the car,
 and the goddess greeted me kindly, and took
 my right hand in hers, and spake to me these words:

Welcome, O youth, that comest to my abode on the car
 that bears thee tended by immortal charioteers!
 It is no ill chance, but right and justice that has sent thee forth to travel
 on this way. Far, indeed, does it lie from the beaten track of men!
 Meet it is that thou shouldst learn all things,
 as well the unshaken heart of well-rounded truth,
 as the opinions of mortals in which is no true belief at all.
 Yet none the less shalt thou learn these things also,—how passing right
 through all things one should judge the things that seem to be.[3]

[...]
Come now, I will tell thee—and do thou hearken to my saying and carry it away—
the only two ways of search that can be thought of.
 The first, namely, that It is, and that it is impossible for it not to be,
 is the way of belief, for truth is its companion.
 The other, namely, that It is not, and that it must needs not be,—
that, I tell thee, is a path that none can learn of at all.
 For thou canst not know what is not—that is impossible—
nor utter it; . . .
 . . . for it is the same thing that can be thought and that can be.[4]


That would be a perfect fit for the current impasse in "Young Love, Sweet Love" over in the But Is It Art section!

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2047 on: October 20, 2016, 09:26:16 am »



The title came first.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2048 on: October 20, 2016, 10:15:02 am »

There are the gates of the ways of Night and Day,[2]
 fitted above with a lintel and below with a threshold of stone.
 They themselves, high in the air, are closed by mighty doors,
 and Avenging Justice keeps the keys that fit them.

According to Laurent Gaudé, there is a gate to Hell in a nondescript tower in between the two sides of an auto-route on the outskirts of Naples...
(La Porte des Enfers, Larent Gaudé, Actes Sud 2007)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2049 on: October 20, 2016, 02:12:46 pm »

According to Laurent Gaudé, there is a gate to Hell in a nondescript tower in between the two sides of an auto-route on the outskirts of Naples...
(La Porte des Enfers, Larent Gaudé, Actes Sud 2007)


Leave it well alone; hope it's sealed with real, non-Mafia supplied concrete.

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« Reply #2050 on: October 20, 2016, 03:09:24 pm »

Parmenides lived in Elea, not far from Naples..., but his gates opened the way to the realm of the light, i.e. of the Truth, and to the condition of its (of the truth) possibility: the principle of non-contradiction...

P.S. in Naples the Mafia may not supply the concrete, maybe the Camorra...
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2051 on: October 20, 2016, 03:13:46 pm »

Parmenides lived in Elea, not far from Naples..., but his gates opened the way to the realm of the light, i.e. of the Truth, and to the condition of its (of the truth) possibility: the principle of non-contradiction...

P.S. in Naples the Mafia may not supply the concrete, maybe the Camorra...

Sorry! Canon/Nikon complex...

;-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2052 on: October 20, 2016, 03:44:35 pm »

The novel is a reworking of a classical tale: a young boy is killed in Camorra cross-fire and years later his father finds the possibility to descend to hell and bring him back... at the cost of his own life, of course. Then the boy sets out for his own revenge, for his father, for his mother who has disfigured herself in grief.

The gate is safe however... it is supposed to have been closed by the earthquake provoked by the trespass.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2053 on: October 20, 2016, 06:52:23 pm »

Little Queenie



Chuck baby, you sure write fine!

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2054 on: October 21, 2016, 06:07:33 am »

Hey Rob that's another great way to stop thinking about Brexit:
http://pmd.cdn.turner.com/tcm/big/tcmweb/FILMCLIPS/2010/07/gojohnnygo_littlequeenie_FC_133a_24f_mobile-baseline.mp4
Ritchie Valens with the girls.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2055 on: October 21, 2016, 09:45:37 am »

Nobody who digs Chuck can be all bad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfdJyOb5qY&feature=related

From Newport Jazz Festival '58. Funny to see the stuck up jazz musos doing nothing to help him out, apart from drum and, eventually clarinet.

But, the ovation: knocked the rest of 'em into the woods.

Went to the Cosmo cinema in Glasgow six times just to watch that segment... Apparently, Keef did exactly the same in London. Great times, great music.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2056 on: October 22, 2016, 11:10:07 am »

For fans of the French, comme moi, a little bit of café table:



Sorry, couldn't find the right type of ashtray.

;-)

P.S.

The reason I love Nikon's Matrix Metering. Straight reading.

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« Reply #2057 on: October 23, 2016, 06:17:37 am »

Did I post this before? Not Café Flore, but Café next to Métro Commerce, a Sunday morning a few weeks back:
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2058 on: October 23, 2016, 06:22:53 am »

And then, when there is no café at all... Caffe Niente ?
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2059 on: October 23, 2016, 08:34:47 am »

I like both, GrahamBy.
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