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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1820 on: July 25, 2016, 01:25:20 pm »

Ah, that makes it very difficult :(
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1821 on: July 27, 2016, 12:23:05 am »

Some beautiful landscapes; they look very crisp, too, and very well 'printed', so to speak. I wonder what he uses? Apart from a tripod, that is.

I don't at all like his 'noods' because they seem so self-conscious, and parodies of the old guys with their 8x10s. There seems no reason why there would be a figure in the shots - I suppose a harking back to classical days long gone.

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Agreed. Very nice landscapes, but nudes which, though admirably skilled, rather made me think of stills from a "Game of Thrones" shoot - and the Artist Statement didn't help.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1822 on: July 27, 2016, 09:57:25 am »

Agreed. Very nice landscapes, but nudes which, though admirably skilled, rather made me think of stills from a "Game of Thrones" shoot - and the Artist Statement didn't help.

Artist's Statements are a sort of paradox.

If one believes in the dictum of a single picture being worth a thousand words, then doesn't that make the entire AS thing seem a bit superfluous or, at the very least, signify a tiny doubt about the vaunted verbosity of the images?

Writing in the third person is even worse - IMO - because it comes over as conceit or even deceit; better to write as in the first person and be open about it, or get somebody else to do it for you as honestly and as dispassionately as possible. Hype is always seen as hype, and whilst expected in advertising soap powders, is a bit thick when found within a photographer's own website.

Some guys do this very well, but I think mainly because some have had really interesting lives, especially within the fashion photography world, and their travels etc. lend a sort of sophicticated otherness to the work that they produce. Seeing images with beautiful people in fantastic locations can't help but add to the glamour of the photographer, even with images not shot in such places: it's an overall influence or effect, I think.

In the end, I think a reserved 'About' is worth more than an official, effusive 'Artist's Statement'.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1823 on: July 27, 2016, 04:21:48 pm »

This amused me, but it's easily done.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1824 on: July 27, 2016, 05:11:06 pm »

This amused me, but it's easily done.

But well done, in this case :)

Rob, I certainly agree about Artist Statements: even done by others they are often horrid, and now that everyone is leaping at the idea of getting rich by writing clickable stuff on Facebook, there are more and more offers to explain artworks to me.

So I must read Sontag's "Against Interpretation"

Nudes are a special case, however: someone usually feels a need to reassure the potential buyer or mere spectator that (s)he is not looking at  "a dirty picture." It is in fact a visual allegory for societal power structures, where sun reflecting through a fine weft of pubic hair represents the carcinogenic imposition of negative opinion on the delicate white soul of the artist.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1825 on: July 28, 2016, 04:09:49 am »

But well done, in this case :)

Rob, I certainly agree about Artist Statements: even done by others they are often horrid, and now that everyone is leaping at the idea of getting rich by writing clickable stuff on Facebook, there are more and more offers to explain artworks to me.

So I must read Sontag's "Against Interpretation"

Nudes are a special case, however: someone usually feels a need to reassure the potential buyer or mere spectator that (s)he is not looking at  "a dirty picture." It is in fact a visual allegory for societal power structures, where sun reflecting through a fine weft of pubic hair represents the carcinogenic imposition of negative opinion on the delicate white soul of the artist.


Interesting observation, Graham. I expect this is the reason that contemporary models appear to eschew any hair there at all.

I'm doing the first run on a new washing machine. I have it on an eco programme for cottons. The machine it replaced - also Zanussis - used to do that in 67 minutes; it's now run for an hour and forty minutes and shows no sign of stopping its fun. I am starting to think that more than lenses require multiple purchases before finding one that does what it says on the box.

Life is getting too full of stress.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1826 on: July 29, 2016, 05:03:40 am »

I don't at all like his 'noods' because they seem so self-conscious, and parodies of the old guys with their 8x10s. There seems no reason why there would be a figure in the shots - I suppose a harking back to classical days long gone.

I was thinking about this again this morning while leafing through my big cheap book of "Troubling erotic contemporary photography", and wondering why it was mostly completely un-troubling. The thing is, nudity itself is not particularly erotic once past adolescence, it's the symbolism of why he or she is undressed, does it have something to do with me the viewer, or someone who is my proxy in the frame (or implied to be just out of it). All of which is related to the model as an individual. It can be a very subtle thing... leafing through Sumo, there are plenty of troubling images, but the feeling is one of having been told to sit in the corner, watch and don't make any noise, of not belonging in the scene. Then I get to the photo of Charlotte Rampling sitting on the table in the hotel in Arles... Bang... all of a sudden there is a connection. Whether that is because there was a real complicity between her and Newton, or because she is an amazing actress, or both...

Now if you put a figure in an interesting shape in a landscape, you've returned to the 18th century version of pretending your interest is in an objective appreciation of her shape, at the same level as some unusual rock formations. Or as an allegory to the three humours, or the 4 seasons, or fire, air, earth and water... or whatever convenient lie by which the painter and the priest could agree to check out the flesh while pretending not to think about sex. It's dishonest and it's boring. Just the sort of thing a Conservative PM might give as a subtle nudge-nudge wedding present  ;)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1827 on: July 29, 2016, 05:32:56 am »

I was thinking about this again this morning while leafing through my big cheap book of "Troubling erotic contemporary photography", and wondering why it was mostly completely un-troubling. The thing is, nudity itself is not particularly erotic once past adolescence, it's the symbolism of why he or she is undressed, does it have something to do with me the viewer, or someone who is my proxy in the frame (or implied to be just out of it). All of which is related to the model as an individual. It can be a very subtle thing... leafing through Sumo, there are plenty of troubling images, but the feeling is one of having been told to sit in the corner, watch and don't make any noise, of not belonging in the scene. Then I get to the photo of Charlotte Rampling sitting on the table in the hotel in Arles... Bang... all of a sudden there is a connection. Whether that is because there was a real complicity between her and Newton, or because she is an amazing actress, or both...

Now if you put a figure in an interesting shape in a landscape, you've returned to the 18th century version of pretending your interest is in an objective appreciation of her shape, at the same level as some unusual rock formations. Or as an allegory to the three humours, or the 4 seasons, or fire, air, earth and water... or whatever convenient lie by which the painter and the priest could agree to check out the flesh while pretending not to think about sex. It's dishonest and it's boring. Just the sort of thing a Conservative PM might give as a subtle nudge-nudge wedding present  ;)


Interesting, I've often wondered why Rampling seemed to attract so many different photographers working in Europe. I have never thought her sexy - quite the opposite. I know she even shared a cuppa with Jeanloup! Strange...

Regarding Conservative wedding presents: perfect example of the sort of thing that, once dumped, would later be bought second-hand by a Champagne Socialist MP at a 'chic' boutique book store specializing in genuine erotica...

;-)

I just love these pages in LuLa!

Rob

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Just run a second wash on the Zanussi: three hours. They must be in league with the electricity companies!

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1828 on: July 29, 2016, 08:56:51 am »

Or post nudie snaps here in an Art of Photography thread in the hope someone, anyone, might think of them as such.

Since I don't know what art is, they may be: there is plenty of stuff I'm told is art which I also consider dishonest and boring, but maybe it works for some people. Or maybe it's essential irony or something. I'd like to try doing some "nude in landscape" shots as a challenge to make something interesting, one day.

Rob, Charlotte can help herself to my thermos any time she wishes.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1829 on: July 29, 2016, 11:05:45 am »

Rob, quick wash button?

I'm still looking for it; I gather one exists, but I'm saving that excitement for the third attempt!

The instruction manual is a real cheapie - I suspect it's supposed to self-destruct before you can sue the makers. Ironically, the old one, which must have given us about twenty years of good, regular service was great: 67 minutes on setting 'K' and everything was clean, read to hang, and once out on the terrace, dry by six or seven in the evening, except in winter when it would have to sit around on the rack until morning. I could have everything ship-shape and out drying before going out to do whatever had to be done that day. Now, it could seriously impact lunch!

As the original machine would turn the programme selector knob around the sequences as it progressed, you always had an idea of how it was doing: this thing is either on or off, with no indication of where it's at. Just like a computer then, and as hateful. But it is very quiet.

Rob

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1830 on: July 29, 2016, 11:21:54 am »

Since I don't know what art is, they may be: there is plenty of stuff I'm told is art which I also consider dishonest and boring, but maybe it works for some people. Or maybe it's essential irony or something. I'd like to try doing some "nude in landscape" shots as a challenge to make something interesting, one day.

Rob, Charlotte can help herself to my thermos any time she wishes.

Decades too late, Graham. Now is the time for quiet contemplation and rejoicing in sins past... that generous offer should be reconsidered very carefully in the light of the passage of time.

Rob

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1831 on: July 29, 2016, 07:05:40 pm »

Sadly true. Anyway, Maëva turned 21 yesterday...
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« Reply #1832 on: July 30, 2016, 03:47:50 am »

Sadly true. Anyway, Maëva turned 21 yesterday...

Great, peaceful atmosphere; really like the reflections in the window and the tonality with which they are reproduced. You've found a good, really natural-looking girl with whom to work, so take it forward, concentrate on the photography and leave the tea for cafés.

Wish her a happy birthday and send her a ticket to Mallorca.

;-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1833 on: July 31, 2016, 07:38:48 am »

I'll see what I can do about transport.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1834 on: August 01, 2016, 04:24:49 pm »

Photography in synch
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« Reply #1835 on: August 02, 2016, 04:13:53 am »

Photography in synch


No wonder women get back problems! Willing bondage, even.

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« Reply #1836 on: August 02, 2016, 04:16:45 am »

I'll see what I can do about transport.


Strange bit of industrial design error: imagine writing your logos etc. upside down. Or is this produxt designed for sale in Oz?

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« Reply #1837 on: August 02, 2016, 06:43:10 am »

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1838 on: August 04, 2016, 04:31:46 pm »

Un dernier clope...
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« Reply #1839 on: August 04, 2016, 05:43:35 pm »

People queuing for ice-cream in the rain.
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