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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1620 on: May 24, 2016, 09:04:09 am »

Lens set at 50mm equivalent, unusually for me, and of course looking down on the berges from above triggers a reminder of the H C-B picnic photo...

Just one of those cases where you see something, grab the first shot, then stand there like an idiot waiting for it to re-occur with better framing of the pram and... it never happens. Finally I open it at home and the first frame was just fine :)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1621 on: May 24, 2016, 09:44:08 am »

Lens set at 50mm equivalent, unusually for me, and of course looking down on the berges from above triggers a reminder of the H C-B picnic photo...

Just one of those cases where you see something, grab the first shot, then stand there like an idiot waiting for it to re-occur with better framing of the pram and... it never happens. Finally I open it at home and the first frame was just fine :)


Well, unless another new 'Mum' happened to walk past wheeling her evidence whilst the couple remained transfixed, the deadly message could never be repeated. You got lucky - enjoy! It bears out the olde 'f8 and be there!' philosophy. Sharp eye; but you know that already.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1622 on: May 25, 2016, 05:33:54 am »

Ha, I checked and it was indeed f8 :) There's actually a good supply of mothers and prams along there, but getting it to all line up...

Here's something in colour, and another fluke. Wandering around the city I encountered a salsa band, and to my surprise, recognised the wife of one of my colleagues...
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1623 on: May 25, 2016, 05:42:02 am »

...and here's one of those frustrating "so close..." occasions. I saw the shot, and grabbed this one. Then I realised the perspective would be better if I got lower down... but then there was always a bus or a car in frame.
So I used LR to straighten the converging verticals, but as often happens there remains a slightly sea-sick variation of vertical across the frame.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1624 on: May 25, 2016, 08:19:56 am »

Ha, I checked and it was indeed f8 :) There's actually a good supply of mothers and prams along there, but getting it to all line up...

Here's something in colour, and another fluke. Wandering around the city I encountered a salsa band, and to my surprise, recognised the wife of one of my colleagues...

Does he know? Reminds me of Belle de Jour situations...

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« Reply #1625 on: May 25, 2016, 08:25:53 am »

...and here's one of those frustrating "so close..." occasions. I saw the shot, and grabbed this one. Then I realised the perspective would be better if I got lower down... but then there was always a bus or a car in frame.
So I used LR to straighten the converging verticals, but as often happens there remains a slightly sea-sick variation of vertical across the frame.

In a perfect world, I think I'd have gone the opposite way: higher, and increased the space between the principal figure and the crowd. "Internal negative space", as seems to be the current art-speak. Why bother correcting verticals? You give me an appetite to go back to Palma again, despite the drive and the terrifying parking situation. Really, there's no substitute for people if you wanna shoot people! ;-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1626 on: May 25, 2016, 08:28:28 am »

Reminded of Palma:



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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1627 on: May 25, 2016, 10:02:26 am »

In a perfect world, I think I'd have gone the opposite way: higher, and increased the space between the principal figure and the crowd.

Quick, patent the carbon-fibre photographer's flip-out step-ladder (kind of like the regular one, but 4 times the price)!
Or just launch the idea on kick-starter, the poor-person's venture capital fantasy...

Nice eyes you found there :)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1628 on: May 25, 2016, 03:05:44 pm »

Quick, patent the carbon-fibre photographer's flip-out step-ladder (kind of like the regular one, but 4 times the price)!
Or just launch the idea on kick-starter, the poor-person's venture capital fantasy...

Nice eyes you found there :)

Ah Graham, I'm always too late with bringing bright ideas to market: the secret's now out there, and the product will soon be on sale at a specialist photo-dealer near you. That there soon won't be any photo-dealers near you doesn't matter...

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1629 on: May 25, 2016, 05:04:56 pm »

Another H C-B picnic reference:
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1630 on: May 25, 2016, 05:10:23 pm »

Another H C-B picnic reference:


Have you noticed how pretty people are usually to found to the fore? Shame about the shoes.

;-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1631 on: May 25, 2016, 06:31:46 pm »

I watched for a while, and Mlle was well aware of the value of her legs ;)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1632 on: May 26, 2016, 03:56:39 am »

I watched for a while, and Mlle was well aware of the value of her legs ;)


Which of course, is why she is dressed as she is. It's been my observation - at least since I became aware of these things in my pre-tens, that ladies - or even other pre-ten female children - are fully aware of where their score stands, or sits, as the case may be. The clamouring for ballet lessons etc. etc. is all a part of the awakening, and long may that remain so; we depend on it for survival.

Naturally, the same gender-inspired self-interest is what later creates the excesses of the politically correct police: it's their own failings, shortcomings and personal disappointments (for either all of the genders) that leads to the condition, a striving to silence any vestige of guilt about said under-achievements. Of course, they may be abe to silence some mouths in some areas, but that enforced external silence does absolutely nothing to silence their own inner voices, and that's why their situation gets progressively worse and more extreme.

And it could have been so much easier and different: all they ever needed do was accept that we are all different, that equality is a myth, an impossible fantasy, proof borne out every time they see someone who looks or can do something better than they can look or do.

Only one person can win a single, top prize: anything else, and you inevitably end up devaluing everything. It's a choice society has to make. Are we better off with no golds, just universal sub-bronzes?

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1633 on: May 26, 2016, 06:10:07 am »

In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

My heart is truly bleeding for anguish caused the lesser-gifted people denied such splendid make-up artificers!

:-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1634 on: May 26, 2016, 07:09:20 am »

In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

My heart is truly bleeding for anguish caused the lesser-gifted people denied such splendid make-up artificers!

:-)

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Rob,

Another great image, which brings to mind " Love for Sale" a Cole Porter classic...

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1635 on: May 26, 2016, 08:55:24 am »

Rob,

Another great image, which brings to mind " Love for Sale" a Cole Porter classic...

Peter


Thanks; it's a funny thing, though, perhaps even a telling one, but I am utterly incapable of making a musical sound on my own, or of making any instrument do so either; yet, I find myself very much drawn to the lyrics of songs and I find that many of them are incredibly apt on so many occasions. Songs that work seem to carry a truth that is simple, often unadorned, and which resonates.

There seems to be so much in common with music and the art of photography. Whenever I worked in my studio, music would be a presence, ditto in the darkroom. (Ditto in the darkroom... even that seems almost musical if you say it quickly enough.) Thank heavens I never, ever felt the frustration in photography that I constantly face with music. With photography I never asked myself whether I thought I could do it, I simply never thought of it like that; with music, I regularly find myself telling myself to shut the eff up and give my poor ears peace. How patient my wife must actually have been...

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1636 on: May 27, 2016, 04:14:27 am »

In the same location as the eyes, here, the continuing movie has rolled and it is the turn of the lips.

To which the passing crowd remains utterly indifferent :) Imagine if you had set that image down in the same place in 1954, people would have travelled in to stand in front of it, the local priest would have thrown black paint over it...
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1637 on: May 27, 2016, 05:09:52 am »

To which the passing crowd remains utterly indifferent :) Imagine if you had set that image down in the same place in 1954, people would have travelled in to stand in front of it, the local priest would have thrown black paint over it...

Well, black would be his favourite colour: many of them were murdered due to politics... so yeah, not only the 'wilder' nations kill their spiritual leaders.

This makes me think of France, today. Looking at France24 for my news fix (I have more or less abandoned Sky News) I am slowly losing my love for the country. Their unions are about as democratic as Attila; they ruin many people's holiday plans, disrupt lives without giving even a token shit about it, and provide rabble cover for every thug you can imagine. They smash into and loot banks, burn cars, because they support incredible 'workers rights'? I look at those police forces using pathetic little sprays... shit, I'd machinegun the lot of those goddam thugs in black balaclavas: they even feel confident enough to wear a friggin' uniform!

Then it's Obama's turn: he visits Japan and is expected (by European media) to apologize (to apologize for Pearl will be next on the agenda) for defnitively ending a bloody war that disrupted and enslaved so much of the far east and right down next door to India! The west, in my view, has lost its collective mind, both to political correctness and to reverse-engineered politics and history.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1638 on: May 27, 2016, 07:31:37 am »

What is happening in France is an example of what happens when both sides behave incredibly badly: government is progressively more incompetent and corrupt, the use of the terrorist attacks to justify a State of Emergency which is still in place and will be used to protect the UEFA football tournament, as it was used to protect the COP21 meeting is extraordinarily cynical. Meanwhile the unions are where they were in the UK pre-miner's strike.

So there is increasing polarisation, no source of information is considered reliable. The extreme left are unable to see that their naive ideas of overthrowing the government are just screwing people who need to go to work, while the riot police are given free reign to beat up whoever they feel like, while the main-stream media turns a blind eye. It's a massive f-up.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #1639 on: May 27, 2016, 09:10:12 am »

It boils down to forms of attitudinal education, Graham.

The concept causing all of this is simple: the world owes me a living.

It has two distinct and surprisingly opposite fans. On the one side are those mainly in the blue-collar world who can lack the background or vision to further themselves via their own efforts and enterprise; there is then the opposite type that comes from wealth, feels youthful guilt at not really having to find a job, and attempts to express empathy with the other 'side' as absolution. Absolution, that is, from totally illogical guilt: unless to further an artistic, philanthropic or altruistic dream of some sort, work is simply an essential to finding money. Without need, there is little intrinsic value to be found in it: it fills your life at the expense of so many better things with which you could concern yourself.

When reason or logic can't deliver what one wants, then force and/or violence becomes the alternative that sometimes works. But but at what cost? You mentioned the 'miner's strike' and it was indeed a sort of turning-point marker. But it also left some terrible scars both on communities in the physical sense, and on people in the psychological and political. That it was inevitable, that no country can continue to subsidise systems that lose money, mattered not to those affected directly, which is perfectly understandable if one is in their shoes. But as a nation, choices and actions become unavoidable, regardless of the political toll it will charge to the party faced with the implementation. It takes a brave leader to run the risk - and see it through.

But youth doesn't last for ever. After a few years of having to earn that daily bread, political leanings can change dramatically, and love for those actively dodging work fades as the romatic idea becomes exposed for the freeload it essentially is.

It's also a bit ironic that France, of all countries, gets targetted by terrorism: it was one of the few lands which so many black US Americans who had the gift of music decided to try and make their new home. As I understand it, they were well-received, became very popular because of their talent, and led better lives than they could find back home in the States; one even bought herself a chateau! But then religious terrorism is so much more evil than that of colour or race: we enjoy some of the same in some Scottish circles as we do in parts of Ireland: one 'Christian' religion devided by partisan groupings. Absolutely insane. They can't even have football matches without bringing it into play. So much needless tragedy. And you don't need to travel to the Middle East to find version of the islamic one: not so long ago, a guy in Glasgow, a moslem, was killed by another moslem with a different religious slant. Hey ho.

So yeah, pretty much everything is effed up everywhere.

Rob
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