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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2360 on: February 14, 2017, 09:22:37 am »

Or my Arabic :-D
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2361 on: February 14, 2017, 11:22:20 am »

Reminds me of the famous HC-B shot in Shanghai, winter '48/'49 during the last days of Kuamintang, as gold was being distributed to the people because, I think, currency had disintegrated...

People queue for all sorts of things; I was told that during WW2 British women would join any queue that they happened to see, simply because they always needed more of whatever the shops might actually stock.

I wonder if there were similar queues in the US, outwith the normally poor areas; I'm reminded, too, of the joke about the old USAF base in Prestwick, Scotland, where the PX store stocked nylons:

Prestwick panties: one Yank and they're down.

Funny, but also very sad because reality often ain't that far removed. One thing's for sure: that PX store sure sold a helluva lot of Zippos! I wonder what the trade was for those?

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2362 on: February 14, 2017, 11:43:28 am »

... I wonder if there were similar queues in the US, outwith the normally poor areas...

There is a burger joint in NY, famous for long lines:



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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2363 on: February 14, 2017, 04:31:33 pm »

Paris is all about queues now... the one to get into Notre Dame is ginormous even in winter.

Anyway, quite a lot of the locals are still getting out and trying not to acquire that anglo-saxon look:
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2364 on: February 14, 2017, 04:42:59 pm »

There is a burger joint in NY, famous for long lines:



I wouldn't queue anymore. It's just a sign of understaffed businesses.

Truth to tell, I think that the catering industry is one of the worst types. Tipping is from the bad old days, and should be consigned to history. Staff should be paid a reasonable wage, and customers not put into the position of having to pay more than the menu asks them to pay. It's simply a form of psychological extortion working on pity, sympathy, a sense of obligation or any other form of negative emotion (in that situation) you might like to name. I detest it. I expect staff to do their best all the time, not because they see a nice watch or dress, a bit of gold here or there, pìck up on signifiers and think one might be a mark for an added smile. I expect a smile and a greeting; I always give the waiters/waitresses a smile and a little bit of friendly chat when we first communicate. It's natural, not a forced act and, as I say, I want no less in return without the spoiling thought that it's just for a fatter tip later on; then there's the thing with changing staff shifts... That all tips get split from a common pot is not always true: I personally know two guys who kept all the tips and the staff got zilch.

You're going to pay the same in the end; why not make it a pleasant, straight transaction devoid of the demeaning serf-symbolism it inevitable invokes, like it or not? It's not about the bill, it's about the unwanted pressure. Of course, I expect there are people who like to feel superior to those who serve them.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2365 on: February 14, 2017, 11:48:47 pm »

You would appreciate that aspect of many parts of Asia - no tip expected, at least where Western culture is not too strong.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2366 on: February 15, 2017, 04:09:02 am »

You would appreciate that aspect of many parts of Asia - no tip expected, at least where Western culture is not too strong.

Frank

Hi Frank,

Yes, we found that to be the case in Singapore, with some hotels stating that on their café price lists. It also seemed to be the case on airlines way back in the 60s: I recall attempting to tip a stewardess on a BEA flight and she politely refused... I felt stupid!

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2367 on: February 15, 2017, 04:10:00 am »

You would appreciate that aspect of many parts of Asia - no tip expected, at least where Western culture is not too strong.

Frank

American culture.

Systematic tipping died out 30 years ago in France. It was never part of British/Australian/NZ culture and so far as I know it has long been gone from northern Europe. In all cases one might occasionally give a little more, but in no sense do servers depend on it: putting waiters etc into a situation where they need tips to survive is reducing them to beggar status. it's practically feudal, a sign of grossly exaggerated financial inequality.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2368 on: February 15, 2017, 09:28:43 am »

American culture.

Systematic tipping died out 30 years ago in France. It was never part of British/Australian/NZ culture and so far as I know it has long been gone from northern Europe. In all cases one might occasionally give a little more, but in no sense do servers depend on it: putting waiters etc into a situation where they need tips to survive is reducing them to beggar status. it's practically feudal, a sign of grossly exaggerated financial inequality.

That's news to me.

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2369 on: February 15, 2017, 11:29:50 am »

That's news to me.


Oh, I guess then that I offended some people while blundering through my visits to the UK. Or maybe it was/is specific to the haunts of the gentry? I never stayed at Claridges ;-)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2370 on: February 15, 2017, 11:58:38 am »

Back to pictures... café sur Place d'Italie
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2371 on: February 15, 2017, 02:27:00 pm »

Back to pictures... café sur Place d'Italie
At first glance there seem to be no people there. But then I see the lone figure approaching from far away.
For me, that little detail really lifts the image.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2372 on: February 15, 2017, 02:39:39 pm »

... and she was the one piece of manipulation: I brought up the magenta so that her jacket would be lighter against the background :)
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2373 on: February 15, 2017, 03:19:20 pm »

Fairly intimate modelling on those seats...

Don't you dare sit a bit to the side!

;-)

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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2374 on: February 15, 2017, 04:02:52 pm »

I'm enjoying this series of photos by Graham very much!

-Dave-
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2375 on: February 16, 2017, 04:18:39 am »

I'm enjoying this series of photos by Graham very much!

Thank you !

So here's a man in a boulangerie on Saturday morning :
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2376 on: February 16, 2017, 08:30:02 am »

I'm enjoying this series of photos by Graham very much!

-Dave-
I am, too!

Eric
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2377 on: February 16, 2017, 12:17:32 pm »

In the Jardin des Tuileries...

(Yes, shouldn't have chopped the woman on the right in half... oh well).
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2378 on: February 16, 2017, 01:12:27 pm »

I'll bet she didn't feel a thing.  ;)

Actually, I rather like it just the way it is. You need something dark at the right edge to balance the darker left side, so I think she is just fine as she is.
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Re: Without Prejudice 2
« Reply #2379 on: February 16, 2017, 04:31:25 pm »

In the Jardin des Tuileries...

(Yes, shouldn't have chopped the woman on the right in half... oh well).


So, tell me, did the terrorist on the extreme left (as some often are) fire that weapon at anyone?

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