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Dean Elliott

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1140 on: February 20, 2014, 10:17:46 AM »

Your photograph is perfectly fine; why would you care what an electrician says about your plumbing or a sommelier about your cooking? (Of course, if you lived in Mallorca they might all be the same person...)

You have two important minds to satisfy: your own and that of your client. The rest, including my opinion, is bullshit. We all have degrees in critique...

Rob C

Thanks for your input Rob, you are absolutely right, however, although this job has already gone to print, my time for this image is exhausted and my mind has been made, the sole purpose is to get feedback. Or rather just to hear others' opinions. I find it interesting to hear what others have to say especially since there are very few valued opinions where i am from let alone a network from which to form a discussion of meaning. So not all bullshit, rather like gold. (in some cases  ;).

Thanks for your take.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1141 on: February 20, 2014, 10:41:27 AM »

Syd Brak eat your heart out.



Wish I'd had his abilities!

Imagine what he'd have done with PS instead of Aerograph DeVilbiss... but maybe the latter is actually better.

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Rob C

P.S. I wrote 'done', but is he still working - does he need to?
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1142 on: February 20, 2014, 11:10:16 AM »

i think it's fine composition wise, me i would reduce the detail in the finger/skin a little but it's not a deal breaker
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« Reply #1143 on: February 20, 2014, 01:14:39 PM »

I'm not showing my wife that! I can't afford it!
Great shot. It oozes Valentine's Day.
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« Reply #1144 on: February 20, 2014, 02:21:29 PM »

I'm not showing my wife that! I can't afford it!
Great shot. It oozes Valentine's Day.

Absolutely - it says "you'd better gimme!" ;)

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« Reply #1145 on: February 20, 2014, 02:29:40 PM »

I'm not showing my wife that! I can't afford it!
Great shot. It oozes Valentine's Day.

Thanks guys for your comments.

It really isn't an expensive piece. The client is a "wholesale" client. By that i mean they do everything possible to make it as cheap as possible via mass production and the stone in there is a cubic zirconia. That ring is probably below R1500 (Rands) which is about u.s. $136
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1146 on: February 20, 2014, 06:42:12 PM »

Michael Ezra, LIKE LIKE LIKE on those reflections.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1147 on: February 20, 2014, 09:34:58 PM »

Thanks:)

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1148 on: February 21, 2014, 01:05:35 AM »

Are my images that bad that there is not one comment? Oh dear...
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1149 on: February 21, 2014, 01:27:40 AM »

Are my images that bad that there is not one comment? Oh dear...

I think the reviewers are all done for today, and are enjoying their after-squash cocktails. :)

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1150 on: February 21, 2014, 06:22:06 AM »

Are my images that bad that there is not one comment? Oh dear...
Never good to follow pics of naked women with pics of interiors if you want any kind of attention on this forum.   :D
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1151 on: February 26, 2014, 02:05:23 PM »

Dean,
The image overall looks sexy and attractive. Decent execution.

The finger itself is a bit weird and prominent. Perhaps fade it from the left of the frame going in. This is the only major issue I personally have with it.
Other details I myself would alter...
The polish on the finger nail can follow the direction of the finger more towards the tip and not flair out. (The way it is now makes her finger look a bit "off". Also something too edited looking about the cutical).
Your highlight blows on the lips don't look too clean.

How do you price such an image for a piece that sells for $136?

Overall sexy! And great for V Day!
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1152 on: February 26, 2014, 03:44:44 PM »

Dean,
The image overall looks sexy and attractive. Decent execution.

The finger itself is a bit weird and prominent. Perhaps fade it from the left of the frame going in. This is the only major issue I personally have with it.
Other details I myself would alter...
The polish on the finger nail can follow the direction of the finger more towards the tip and not flair out. (The way it is now makes her finger look a bit "off". Also something too edited looking about the cutical).
Your highlight blows on the lips don't look too clean.

How do you price such an image for a piece that sells for $136?

Overall sexy! And great for V Day!

Hi Phil, thanks so much for your Comments.
All the things you mentioned that you would change are exactly what i had done or suggested before client changes. I 100 % agree with you on them. The cuticle, the polish shape and the lips. The client chose to change back to how it is now. The nail polish i had adjusted to retain the sheen but neaten up the tip to a harder edge but keeping the natural feel as if the nail had been carefully manicured. I dont mind the finger too much, but i hear where you coming from and agree that the finger is odd. Its the best of the batch of shots taken though.

The highlight on the lips was a difficult one, because it is natural and is as it was shot.  I honestly struggled with the lips and did not have a solution for them, though i had an idea of how i wanted them to look. Basically i should have had make up done a bit different. Though not sure if it would have sold the problem. Perhaps a different light modifier?

The whole image is a little to worked if you ask me, but client expectations are sometimes just more important than my opinion.
Thanks again, i really appreciate the feedback.

Oh and lastly, to answer your question on the value of the ring and how i price a shot like this. Firstly i must mention that here in South Africa and especially my city, Durban, the whole place is about bargaining. Similar to Thailand and its negotiating system. Now i know some might say, "yes yes so is the rest of the world", trust me on this one. Its bargain central. In Durban in particular, we have a large indian demographic and are really tough negotiators which really pushes the whole city to drive a hard bargain really.

With that said - The Client is a large wholesale jewelry client. They spend fairly well on the photography and post production. Then they look for the best 'value for money' printer that can print run 100s of thousands of leaflets and a large portion of in-store posters for the countries 80 + outlet stores.  They also offer credit payments over 3 months. Value for money. Not expensive, not unique, not quality.

I am not sure if this is painting the picture? Its always difficult to explain how this crazy country works.

I hope you like the little story i wrote anyways, I seem to ramble on sometimes.   ;D
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1153 on: February 26, 2014, 10:58:51 PM »

Hahaa Dean!
I love the story. I have 3 Indian clients , and a number of other international ones. I have become accustomed to the "bargaining" songs. Many don't work with me until another couple years or even more. Competition is very tough, and the entire personability, emotion and the moment is NOT in the equation when shooting product, so it has that difficulty added to deal with.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1154 on: February 27, 2014, 02:21:33 AM »

Here is a work in progress. Not for client but for possible portfolio work. Feel free to comment. Or just view.  ;D
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1155 on: February 27, 2014, 06:36:10 AM »



An executive portrait I did.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1156 on: February 27, 2014, 11:04:16 AM »

Very nice portrait Synn!

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #1157 on: February 27, 2014, 01:53:58 PM »

Great port Synn!

Shoe looks great Dean!
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« Reply #1158 on: February 27, 2014, 05:50:34 PM »

Thank you both!
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