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Chris Barrett

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #420 on: May 28, 2013, 09:40:01 pm »

Hah!  We do actually have an overall shot of the lunchroom.  I rarely get to make shots like this, but the marketing person from the firm said that he will actually use this a lot!

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« Reply #421 on: May 28, 2013, 09:40:44 pm »

Going back to distortion, I shot this last week for a friend of mine who is an interior architect.  Yes, the distortion does bother me a little, but the 2 point version just ... does't feel ... right.  Like why shoot a 2 point when a one point is possible?  BTW, I was not too keen on the owls, but, you know.   ;)
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #422 on: May 28, 2013, 09:41:39 pm »

Hah!  We do actually have an overall shot of the lunchroom.  I rarely get to make shots like this, but the marketing person from the firm said that he will actually use this a lot!

;)
That is what I thought.  If not, I was hoping you could post the plans so I could figure out what the space looked like. 
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« Reply #423 on: May 28, 2013, 09:58:00 pm »

Hah!  We do actually have an overall shot of the lunchroom.  I rarely get to make shots like this, but the marketing person from the firm said that he will actually use this a lot!

;)

Yeehaaa!
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« Reply #424 on: May 28, 2013, 09:59:06 pm »

There should be a LIKE button on LuLa.

ditto-sometimes I'm just too lazy or busy to write something.......
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #425 on: May 28, 2013, 11:01:59 pm »

Coot,

Watching the below sepia images, I have a question regarding Red if you see this post.

As everything is built on metadatas and therefore non-destructive, my doubt remains on the isos.

Let's take this scenario shoot on Red: if one decide to shoot pushing the isos to extreme levels on purpose (and not because it lacks light)
for ex to get a 16mm grain, and after that you give-up with the idea and want to revert to a clean image to do something completly different,
are the isos also non-destructive?
So for ex, can you take those high-isos images on RCX and going back to 800 the typical high-isos grain would disappear?
I ask this question because never had very high isos Red footage on edit.
 

Uh, well . . . gosh Fred I wish I knew.

Really, I'm sure someone from RED knows more about this than me.

The thing I've noticed with digital noise in all cameras, still and motion, the more light you have, regardless of iso, the less noise you have.

Shoot a Phase back at 800 ISO with a lot of studio flash and the noise is pretty minimal.  Shoot it with very little available light and the shadow noise can be fairly severe.

Same with the RED.

Now these images were shot with a small light panel, either handheld or mounted on a stand.  

All I did was go into the R1, move stuff around until I liked it and shot it.

Crazy right?

Anyway, once in Cine-x, there is 4 ways to make a scene brighter.  Exposure slider, ISO, Flut (which stands for something like Floating point) and obviously brightness.

Each one looks different, so in post I did a combination of all, including contrast to get the look I wanted, then made a still, then went to photoshop to match and finish out.

But, to answer your question, if I dropped the iso down to 800, and moved the exposure way up to compensate the noise was still there, but it depended on the original exposure and voume of light more than anything.

When I shot this I also tried a few images with more light and less iso and obviously less noise.  Then I tried less light, opened up the Fstop to match and though the noise should be equal I saw more noise.

In post processing I also thought it would be better to kill the denoise filter and put it in later in photoshop, but that made the blacks clump.  You really can't see the clumping in a motion image, but a still it's very evident.

So the best was was to shoot it the way I liked, look at it in the computer, make some adjustments, shoot it and then process it out with no noise killer and just move a combination of iso and exposure where I had the base image I wanted.

Does that make sense?

I don't know, but it did what I wanted.

Though the real answer is, if time permits and you know the look you want, test it, test it, test it and then shoot it.

I really only had time to shoot it, look at it, guess at the adjustment and shoot it.

BC

BTW Chris, loved that image, but it would have been great with a half eaten sandwich.  You know, human it up man.


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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #426 on: May 28, 2013, 11:47:47 pm »

Here is a picture of a lunchroom.  Straight out of camera and unretouched.  No distortions, tho ;)


LIKE!   :D

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #427 on: May 29, 2013, 12:57:22 am »

Here is a picture of a lunchroom.  Straight out of camera and unretouched.  No distortions, tho ;)


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LIKE.

I have clients who would go ape-shit for this. And others who would say, "Whaaa....?"  I prefer the former.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #428 on: May 29, 2013, 05:01:53 am »


But, to answer your question, if I dropped the iso down to 800, and moved the exposure way up to compensate the noise was still there, but it depended on the original exposure and voume of light more than anything.



Thanks Coot. You answered my question.
It's the available light that makes the noise
And not that much the isos.
As you point, high isos under control
Light produces little noise.
But you pointed on what was my doubt
On Red, reverting to 800 and compensate
In rcx, the noise still is there, and it makes
Sense.
Can't test by myself because I don't
Own a red camera. All footage I have in editing
Or samples downloaded are 800 isos and clean file.
Impossible to do the experiment I wanted.
So, if it's shooted in such a way that the noise
Appears, metadatas Or not, it won't be possible
To eliminate in rcx because it's not a metadata
Task any longuer but a physic of photons-sensors.
It's important because if we can de-do, redo any looks,
Isos + available light leave a definitive print.

Practicaly, my question was asked with the idea in mind
Of adding grain artificialy in post (wich imo never end
To look organic) Or trying to get the look in camera.
But trying to get the look in camera has it's pros and cons.
Sometimes we shoot something and it
Worked. Then, we want to do the same a month later
And it does not any longuer. We May have forgotten
Steps if it was an experiment, (note everything when it's
Hot !... ). Or light conditions have changed etc...

Cheers.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #429 on: May 29, 2013, 03:44:04 pm »

Another one from the Home and Kitchen shots.

This time we had 2 additional raw lights behind the screens, coming from 11 o'clock and 2 o'clock.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #430 on: May 29, 2013, 03:57:52 pm »

Joe,

the gray floor material was that wood, tile or something else.  I like it that is why I am asking.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #431 on: May 30, 2013, 09:29:57 am »

I think that the seeming paradox about the ISO and the amount of light can be explained by the difference of the light spectrum in bright and dark conditions. The higher ISO settings in bright conditions are not as damaging to capture in terms of noise simply because the light spectrum is more forgiving in combination with the specifics of the Bayer sensor.

Usually bright light contains large amount of the green part of the spectrum, which, when being captured by the greater number of the green pixels in the Bayer-pattern sensor leads to lower luminosity noise, since luminosity is largely represented by the green portion of the spectrum. If (natural) light has dominant red or blue, then green pixels get insufficient signal in comparison and the luminosity noise is more pronounced.
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« Reply #432 on: June 03, 2013, 06:41:42 pm »

From my Patagonia shoot.
My client feedback is pretty clear, they love the waterfall.
Out of 3500 shots, I will publish 5-10 all developed to Fuji crystal archive paper and face mounted to acrylic
5-10 pieces on a ten day shoot is pretty productive for me.

Florence Welsh (waterfall on the Fitz Roy)
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Guardians
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Small things, suite of Four
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #433 on: June 04, 2013, 02:33:12 pm »

From my Patagonia shoot.
My client feedback is pretty clear, they love the waterfall.
Out of 3500 shots, I will publish 5-10 all developed to Fuji crystal archive paper and face mounted to acrylic
5-10 pieces on a ten day shoot is pretty productive for me.

Florence Welsh (waterfall on the Fitz Roy)
Pentax 645D 35mm AF stacked GND filters,CPF

Guardians
Pentax 645D 35mm AF CPF

Small things, suite of Four
Pentax 645D 35mm CPL


Very nice pictures, but why don't you straighten the first picture (Florence Welsh) up? Its crooked.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #434 on: June 04, 2013, 02:55:12 pm »

I did in the edition master files....
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #435 on: June 04, 2013, 03:01:56 pm »

D800e





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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #436 on: June 04, 2013, 03:12:00 pm »

Nice light and movement.
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« Reply #437 on: June 04, 2013, 06:12:02 pm »

A project I am currently shooting in NM for a lighting designer in NY.
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« Reply #438 on: June 04, 2013, 08:05:37 pm »

Hi Kirk,
Powerfull image. Very modernistic structure.

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« Reply #439 on: June 05, 2013, 07:14:58 am »

was shooting a similar a while ago

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