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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #320 on: May 07, 2013, 05:41:16 AM »

Well it depends on many factors, how bad, or far from the final output the original image is.




Fred,

Thanks for the kind words Fred.

I wouldn't call myself an expert colorists on motion imagery.  I can find my way around, but motion to still is a much different animal, as you know.

This image wasn't that far from what you see.  The real difference was lighting and camera, using a digital back that sees very specific colors, rather than global and the talent isn't moving all over the set.  Also working vertical, rather than a broad horizontal makes specific lighting much easier.

The real thing that makes this work is talent selection.  Sure you can take someone with a dark tan and get the same effect, or close, but it's much better to start with a subject that has this color and tonal value to start.

Also it was shot knowing what the final effect would be.

In regards to shooting this on the REDs (which we did) it looks different.  I can be moved close to the same look, but the cameras are different, the processing is different, the framing is different.

But then again, the beautiful colors we see on the big screen have huge resource behind them.  If you look at a Peter Jackson Movie, if they want red to be accented, the sets are painted deep red and the rest of the set is muted.

If they want porcelain skin, the subject and the makeup is done in a way the colorists has and easier time doing it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying the better prep prior on set, the better the final results.

BTW:  If you will PM me I can sent you a few seconds of this image shot with the RED.  It will be more difficult as it's lit a little different, but it will give you some idea.

I also have this session on footage that will get closer to the look.



just let me know.

IMO

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #321 on: May 07, 2013, 06:43:57 AM »

Thanks very much James. That's very kind
Of you.
I'writting now from my mobile but will pm
You when back in the studio. I'm definatly
Interested to have a short sample because
It's going to be of great help.

You're absolutly right about the talent.
Yesterday I was in the Avid with my actress
Shot and had your image look in mind. But
I realise that both girls, your talent and my
Actress, are completly different animals. Skin
Has nothing to do, mine is blondish, etc...
In the end, in that particular actress shot,
Your skintone I like so much doesn't Match
With my actress style.

So in the end it's a all process from the casting
To the lightning and make-up that is driving
The post-production. Totaly true.

When I'll finish the tuto, I'll upload in my vimeo
Account. What's interesting is that it shows that
A lot can be done within the Avid app, without Nuke,
AF Or PS. Wich is a huge timesaver.
But it can't replace the right talent for the right
Look.

Cheers.

Ps: I think One of the strengh of the Avid is, a part from
Asset management and stability, are the tools to composite.
Honestly, its color correction is a bit weak, for secondaries,
, no LUT support (coming in the next), but the trackers
Are excelents, the keyers too. The roto tools truly usable
Etc...I discovered that they used the avid's keyer to do
The Marvel. No external app. That tells a lot. The next
Version will have an enhanced roundtripping with da-vinci resolve wich
Wich enables more than hd delivery.
(it can already be done, but not intuitive)
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #322 on: May 09, 2013, 03:32:06 PM »

Here is a portrait i shot the other week. My third shoot with the Hassy. There was literally no budget at all for location scouting or building a set, so we took what was available. I'm happy with the result. What do youthink?

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« Reply #323 on: May 09, 2013, 04:16:01 PM »

nice portrait Emil ! What was the key light source and the lens used ?
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« Reply #324 on: May 09, 2013, 04:30:29 PM »

nice portrait Emil ! What was the key light source and the lens used ?

I still only have the 50 mm lense. I'll be getting the 100mm next week hopefully :) Its a 150cm octabank on Elinchrom flashes, really like it. Not very portable unfortunately. thinking about getting the original Elinchrom ones, they are easier to carry around and set up.

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« Reply #325 on: May 09, 2013, 06:30:52 PM »

Interesting video on how Apple images are made. Still Life Studio Photography on MF.

http://youtu.be/rqC2xpCaG80

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« Reply #327 on: May 09, 2013, 11:57:46 PM »

Interesting video on how Apple images are made. Still Life Studio Photography on MF.

You might want to re-read the article. He shoots Apple's products on a Canon 5DIII with a 24-70 Canon zoom.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #328 on: May 10, 2013, 12:18:15 AM »

You might want to re-read the article. He shoots Apple's products on a Canon 5DIII with a 24-70 Canon zoom.

You might want to read the article all the way through. He's shooting Apple products with Sinar and Phase One gear.

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« Reply #329 on: May 10, 2013, 08:00:24 AM »

The 5DIII was for the time-lapse.  Also, does this guy actually shoot Apple's product shots or just the magazine's?  The style feels fairly different from Apple's ads.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #330 on: May 10, 2013, 08:02:34 AM »






Dude, I love this, but I want the circle centered in the triangle.  I know, I know... I'm such a freak.

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« Reply #331 on: May 10, 2013, 08:07:02 AM »

The 5DIII was for the time-lapse.  Also, does this guy actually shoot Apple's product shots or just the magazine's?  The style feels fairly different from Apple's ads.

Cris in this article is all explain. He is the guy as far as the time the article was written.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/8/4311868/the-illusion-of-simplicity-photographer-peter-belanger-on-shooting
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #332 on: May 14, 2013, 12:42:22 AM »

Interesting coincidence:) This one is shot in 2007, but just reprocessed while trying new skin tone settings in RawTherapee

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #333 on: May 14, 2013, 03:55:45 PM »

Interesting coincidence:) This one is shot in 2007, but just reprocessed while trying new skin tone settings in RawTherapee



Michael... that is just absolutely beautiful. It's naturalness is what in my eyes makes it so beautiful with gently tonality
combined with artificial light that has all the credibility of natural light.
 
The smooth on the dress and the crisp texture in the dress reminds me of a Vemeer.

You take pictures like Miles Davis plays the trumpet.
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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #334 on: May 14, 2013, 10:57:07 PM »

Thank you for such kind words, Fred:)
We had a very productive session with this model, I come back to it from time to time, and this image is one of my personal favorites.
She was just getting dressed and was about to leave, but I asked her to pause it for a minute:)

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« Reply #335 on: May 14, 2013, 11:38:47 PM »

Michael... that is just absolutely beautiful. It's naturalness is what in my eyes makes it so beautiful with gently tonality
combined with artificial light that has all the credibility of natural light.
 
The smooth on the dress and the crisp texture in the dress reminds me of a Vemeer.

You take pictures like Miles Davis plays the trumpet.
I completely agree with Fred. Your work is always first class, Michael.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #336 on: May 15, 2013, 10:11:30 AM »

I completely agree with Fred. Your work is always first class, Michael.

Eric M.



Ditto.

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Re: Recent Professional Works 2
« Reply #337 on: May 15, 2013, 12:49:10 PM »

Self assigned project to go shoot some motion for stock.  Out of the sunroof of my truck, 10 mph, 24 fps.  Red Epic & Canon 17-40 zoom.  HDRx to tame the sun's reflection.



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« Reply #338 on: May 15, 2013, 01:14:49 PM »

Self assigned project to go shoot some motion for stock.  Out of the sunroof of my truck, 10 mph, 24 fps.  Red Epic & Canon 17-40 zoom.  HDRx to tame the sun's reflection.



CB

Smart move. Motion stock pays better than stills stock. I do some work for a company the buys stock in large amounts
and as a result get special pricing. The cost of an urban landscape clip is around $ 700 while the same type of quality still is about $60 for the same usage.
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« Reply #339 on: May 15, 2013, 01:29:24 PM »

Thank you for such kind words, Fred:)
We had a very productive session with this model, I come back to it from time to time, and this image is one of my personal favorites.
She was just getting dressed and was about to leave, but I asked her to pause it for a minute:)

That magic moment. Hold it just like that and look at the camera.

Processing it in what looks like the most natural of ways is really where the magic is.
It's about the photo veritas effect. While there is a lot of work with what is called working a file deep
that looks great it is most of the time a step away from photography and much of the time very artificial.
I think that beauty in it's simplest form is harder to do well and when it is achieved it is breath taking.
That does not mean that there is not extensive post work, it is just masterfully kept under control.
It is very easy with today's software tools to create high contrast over sharpened retouched skin
or desaturated alabaster skin.

I think the same can be said for models poses and attitude. A quite and serene look or a delicate smile
is harder to pull off than fashion attitudes.

It's like the magic of a Vemeer compared to an air brushed glamour illustration.
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