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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2013, 12:05:22 AM »

Judging by the length of your critique, your account must have been hacked by... never mind ;D

In all seriousness, thanks for the thoughts, Dave. When I juxtapose  :P your critique with the magazine editor's one, there isn't much difference; yours is just more eloquent. Indeed, the flash was used, plus PS, to bring out the colors in the reeds. This also explains why the left side is darker than the right (further away from the flash).

Anyway, there is usually more to learn from mistakes than from successes. It is equally important to try something different from time to time, knowing perfectly well that only a small percentage of attempts will result in something worthwhile. Or, in other words, when you juxtapose the number of attempts with the number of successful outcomes... :P

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 08:16:09 AM »

It was indeed an incredible sky, especially for November.

I really am impressed by your "November Sky" image, and especially the sky itself. Did you happen to take a capture of just the sky itself ... so that the entire frame is filled with the sky?

If and when I get decent at masking and compositing, I hope to have captured an assortment of dramatic skies to serve as backgrounds for multi-layer composites.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 08:20:42 AM »

What a fantastic sky!
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I dream of getting a sky like that, but I also have nightmares of getting a sky like that when I am not expecting it and then running around panicking as I try to put something in front of it. It happens to us all.

Agree.

I am trying to be more intentional about having a decent camera with me as I go about life.
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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2013, 10:01:53 AM »

Judging by the length of your critique, your account must have been hacked by... never mind ;D

...the number of attempts with the number of successful outcomes... :P
I was pleased to read Dave's post... It is a good feeling to know that such thoughts are moving around in their various guises in many skulls on this planet, and found Slobodan's sense of the post much like mine... the good of the entire experiment including submitting/putting it out there, for me is the importance of that willingness to go elsewhere than the rules and/or framework of "Photography". I don't see "attempt", I see "experiment". I won't bore you with a rehash of a bit posted at But is it Art/ "Under the surface of the earth" topic, as I was already too longwinded there, but I did include links to two excellent essays I came across this morning that illustrate this simmering sense I have of a teeter totter with comfort zones of individuals known experiences on one side with the immense possibility of an explosion of vision of what "photography is/can/will be" on the other. The comfort zone is getting to be a small cold place when one thinks about the possibilities on the other. I wish I were two.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2013, 10:29:01 AM »

Well put, Patricia.

I see the issue as having to do with where your personal comfort zone is on a spectrum from "experiment" to "cliche." The magazine's reviewer strikes me as somewhere to the right of center on that line, while I'm more to the left. I like a pretty sunset as well as most other folks, but I find SB's experiment much more interesting because it does push my mind in directions that aren't well-trodden paths.
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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2013, 10:37:44 AM »

The leaves facing the camera seem quite lit up.  Did you light paint this at all to get that effect?
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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2013, 11:39:25 AM »

The leaves facing the camera seem quite lit up.  Did you light paint this at all to get that effect?

As I noted above, indeed, the built-in flash was used, plus PS' Color Range, to bring out the colors in the reeds.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2013, 12:14:56 PM »

The more the colors assail my senses, the more I like it...my query for the day is how the critic posted this on March 3, 2013?
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2013, 12:26:01 PM »

...my query for the day is how the critic posted this on March 3, 2013?

It seems that a lot of magazines use that kind of calendar. If monthlies, you can actually buy a March issue already at the end of February. In this case, they are a weekly, so the March 3rd issue was available on Feb 26th. It also seems they are referring to the end of the week they are covering, not the beginning.

After all, traveling into the future seems to be the only way printed magazines can catch up with the instantaneous nature of the news on the Internet ;)

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2013, 12:31:14 PM »

I want to ride that magic carpet so I can play the market better. All this up and down stuff is making me a bit anxious.
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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2013, 03:20:59 PM »

It seems that a lot of magazines use that kind of calendar. If monthlies, you can actually buy a March issue already at the end of February. In this case, they are a weekly, so the March 3rd issue was available on Feb 26th. It also seems they are referring to the end of the week they are covering, not the beginning.

I have an advert running in the AP for the March 3rd issue, nothing too grand you understand, but none the less it is in there, my first advert - have you seen it Slobodan I wondered? They are suppose to be sending me a free issue to show me the ad, so I will get to read your image review for real as it were.

They wanted me to have one of my images in the advert to add impact, but I thought for the size of it within the page, it would make the words less easy to see and read, so I thought I may as well stick with a simple set of words in a high impact colour contrast sort of thing - cost me 175 (around $250 US) for that little advert, and it only runs in one issue and for one week.

Slobodan, I know what you mean about the hijacking, but no it was only me and I thought your image deserved a more wordy/detailed review  :)

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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2013, 04:37:40 PM »

Dave, I did not see the ad until you mentioned it (then I found it on page 88).

The trouble with those ads is that they are all grouped at the end of the magazine, after all the editorial content. So, once I am done reading the content part, I am usually done with that issue, i.e., I just skip the end of the magazine where all the ads are. Just like I fast-forward ads on Netflix and Hulu, btw. But, that's just me. You wouldn't know, of course, until you try. That's the only way to ultimately see how many responses you'd get.

Now, may I critique your ad, please? Yes?... Thank you. :)

Had I went through ad pages, I would have probably just skimmed through and ultimately skipped your ad. On the positive side, it is yellow, thus practically jumping off the page. On the negative side, the most prominent part of the ad are the words "Photography.info." Now, remember, my glance and my attention span for that ad are rather fractions of a second, thus my reaction would be: "I do not need any info on photography," and move on. After all, I am already reading a photographic magazine to get the info.

What I think you should emphasize instead is "Isle of Skye" and perhaps "Scotland." If  anyone would be interested in attending your workshop, they would be precisely because they are familiar with those names (in terms of landscape photography locations). That is the main attraction and the reason to come to you. Among landscape photographers, Isle of Skye has a legendary status world wide. I mean, I've known it for at least the last fifteen to twenty years. Back in the late 90s, I flew from Moscow to Cornwall for a workshop (with Joe Cornish) because I already knew about Cornwall reputation as a landscape location. I would have preferred Skye, had there been a workshop there though.

Next: picture. I know it is predominantly a financial consideration, and you did the right thing by testing the water first, just to see if there is any interest that way, but for me THE ONLY WAY that would make me look at the ad longer than a split second, would be a picture. And not any picture, it would have to be a stop-me-in-my-tracks picture (which, luckily, wouldn't be too hard for you). I want a picture that would make me drool and say: "I want to go there and take such a picture myself."

I hope you do not mind my little ad critique. You don't? Fantastic! I knew you are a great guy! ;D

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Re: Critiqued in Amateur Photographer
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2013, 05:24:44 PM »

Thanks Slobodan, I didn't want to hijack your thread with my advert, so thanks for your review of it.

I don't buy the magazines anymore, but when I did (and I used to by a lot), I used to regularly buy AP among many others and know that around 2/3rds of the AP mag at least, is wall to wall advertising with microscopic text, in fact substantially more advertising than any other mag I have ever seen. So I sort of knew my little ad would end up being buried deep within the bowels of advert obscurity and towards the middle back of the mag, so that's why I went with the wording instead of an image, thought I was being clever I suppose and trying to get the most imapct for the buck.

But I agree, next time I will go for a an image advert and thank you very mch for saying I would be able to use a 'stop-me-in-my-tracks' picture  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2013, 05:33:40 PM »

I really am impressed by your "November Sky" image, and especially the sky itself. Did you happen to take a capture of just the sky itself ... so that the entire frame is filled with the sky?...

At your service, Sir! Slightly different angle though:

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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2013, 06:04:26 PM »

Now that's what I'd call a pretty picture.
But the original post is what I'd call a very interesting picture, worth spending time with.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2013, 06:21:39 PM »

Hard not to like that shot.
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2013, 06:59:26 PM »

At your service, Sir! Slightly different angle though:

Now that is the shot I would have gone for - excellent!!!!

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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2013, 06:59:28 PM »

At your service, Sir! Slightly different angle though:

THAT is an impressive sky!

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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2013, 11:15:23 AM »

I like this shot. I don't know what the editor is talking about. It is a "safezone" reply because images like that gather controversial opinions.
Keeping also in mind that critic opinions differ so much I'm not surprised. It sure isn't a traditional version of landscape. In a different kind of magazine
this could also be a spread. Have you written it was intentionally?

I so much prefer the first one. involves more brain activity ;)
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« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2013, 12:01:11 PM »

I so much prefer the first one. involves more brain activity ;)
Amen!
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