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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2013, 01:52:51 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 04:34:03 PM »

I love Fleetwood Mac.
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I've never been a fan of either the Fleetwood or the Mac. The Fleetwood was nearly 20 feet long and got like 10 miles per gallon, if that. The Mac is strictly for people who use computers like a toasters -- Windows is much more flexible. And Windows 8 is definitely more interesting than OSX.
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Re: High MP Canon anytime soon?
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 07:11:56 PM »

Rumors are a fun waste of time.  ;)

Now, they are not always innocent though. Considering the significant migration of high end users to Nikon these past few years, Canon has a huge vested interest in making us believe that they are still in the race.

Their all marketing strategy has been based for years on the notion that a majority of pros use their equipment because it is the best. We all agree that Canon still releases excellent lenses and good cameras, but the gap between the marketing theory of being the best and the reality of the cameras they have released vs the competition since the D3 in 2007 is putting this communication strategy at risk. Now it is DR/resolution, it had been high ISO image quality for years before that.

So every single high end shooter deciding to stay on board with Canon another week because of the belief that something is coming soon probably results in tens of indirect sales to the general public further down the road.

LL is mostly irrelevant because it touches such a small fraction of the photographic crowds that is mostly high end anyway. But Josh is right that DPreview is infested with rumors spreaders. There is no reason to belief that some of those rumors are not driven/orchestrated by companies themselves.

In my mind, the peak of rumoring happened a few months ago when false rumors were spread that the DxOmark DR results of the Canon 1Dx were going to equal those of the Nikon D4. The actual results were very far from confirming these rumors, so there is no doubt whatsoever that someone simply invented this story. As Agatha Christie used to ask... "who does beneft from the crime?".  ;D

This is really interesting, because instead of focusing on product releases, that rumor (attack?) focused on one of the perceived root causes of the demise of Canon as a company seen as a leading sensor provider. DxOMark is of course simply exposing facts, but this is not relevant in a communication war. Facts only have impacts if they are known, so it is just as efficient to communicate falsely about the entity communicating the fact (DxOMark) as it is to communicate falsely about the facts themselves (like implying that something better is coming - which is understood by many as "we already have better technology today").

Why is it so important to win this war now? Well, because more and more photographers really are doing their last camera purchase for years to come. And the company winning the camera war hopes to also secure recurring lens revenue for years to come, with the multiplicative effect described above between pros and the mass public.

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Bernard
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2013, 01:24:20 AM »

Hi,

I don't like big cars.

Regarding operating systems, I have used IBM Mainframes, CDCs, Sun workstations, Silicon Graphics, HP, Linux and Windows since 3.0 and I would say I still prefer the Mac. But, I prefer a computer that works over one that is flexible. I have much more maintenance issues with the PC-s around me than with the three Macs I own.

Best regards
Erik

I've never been a fan of either the Fleetwood or the Mac. The Fleetwood was nearly 20 feet long and got like 10 miles per gallon, if that. The Mac is strictly for people who use computers like a toasters -- Windows is much more flexible. And Windows 8 is definitely more interesting than OSX.

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2013, 03:06:46 AM »

I have much more maintenance issues with the PC-s around me than with the three Macs I own.
For me it is the other way around. My recent mac needs frequent forced restarts, slows down to a grind at strange times and needs at least as much attention to all kinds of updates as my PCs.

-h
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2013, 06:52:28 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 04:01:10 AM »

I've never been a fan of either the Fleetwood or the Mac. The Fleetwood was nearly 20 feet long and got like 10 miles per gallon, if that. The Mac is strictly for people who use computers like a toasters -- Windows is much more flexible. And Windows 8 is definitely more interesting than OSX.
Interesting is not a term I would apply to Windows 8, complete rubbish I think more fitting. You need to spend a lot of time finding out how to turn off all those new features just to make it useable.
At which stage in it's development did someone come up with that swipe idea and why did no one tell them it's junk?
It makes using the computer for work impossible.
Why does the main screen come with mostly links to adverts trying to get you to spend money. If I want a link to an online store, I will pick the store not Microsoft. I will pick who I travel with and which newspaper I want to read as well.
Windows 8 is a very bad joke, you do not spend time tweaking it to how you like it, you spend ages fixing/deleting the new features just so you can use it. It's turned computers into android phones. If all you want to do is tweet, Facebook and spend money it is probably the best around as a tool to work with don't go near it.
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 04:07:27 AM »

For me it is the other way around. My recent mac needs frequent forced restarts, slows down to a grind at strange times and needs at least as much attention to all kinds of updates as my PCs.

-h
Then something needs fixing, book it in at a guru session they will test it and sort it for free.
I've Mac's and PC's, I much prefer the Macs for a lot of reasons, I have very few issues with them. A PC is like a child, whatever you ask it to do it produces a list of reasons of why not too. The Macs just do it and say "anything else I can help you with Sir".
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 04:43:37 AM »

Now do you  see what I mean about Golden Ages?

My 'ancient' XP does exactly what I expect it to do, even if it gets very slow in the mornings, but, like its owner, after coffee break it becomes quite normal again.

I watched a lengthy programme on the BBC last night about Google and the World Library venture. What horrified me most of all was a chap with grey hair and beard who, looking meanly into camera, declared with absolute conviction that authors have no right to copyright on their ideas...

So far, authors seem to have the won the initial legal skirmishes.

What a hideous future for creatives out there; lets just buy shovels and get back to the land.

Rob C

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 05:12:39 AM »

Then something needs fixing, book it in at a guru session they will test it and sort it for free.
I've Mac's and PC's, I much prefer the Macs for a lot of reasons, I have very few issues with them. A PC is like a child, whatever you ask it to do it produces a list of reasons of why not too. The Macs just do it and say "anything else I can help you with Sir".
Then something needs fixing with your PCs. Mine tend to do just what I need them to. After Windows 7 and stricter demands towards driver manufacturers, Windows has been a treat for me. To bad Microsoft did not do this 10-15 years ago when they had the chance for world domination. Now it seems that the mass consumers will go for iPads and Android boxes instead.

-h
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Re: High MP Canon anytime soon?
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2013, 05:57:06 AM »

Then something needs fixing with your PCs. Mine tend to do just what I need them to. After Windows 7 and stricter demands towards driver manufacturers, Windows has been a treat for me. To bad Microsoft did not do this 10-15 years ago when they had the chance for world domination. Now it seems that the mass consumers will go for iPads and Android boxes instead.

MS still very much dominates the world. Besides past issues with win desktop have little to do with the potential market share they did not capture in mobile.

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Bernard
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 07:20:07 AM »

MS still very much dominates the world.
In number of licenses, yes. In economic power they are still large. But in "mindshare", no. People largely do not want to have a PC in their home anymore. 60 year olds are using iPads to pay their bills, to surf and to watch family pictures. They are open to doing their work on something else (Photoshop jockeys excluded). Companies are letting people do their work on their own, personal computing devices. That is a big thing.
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Besides past issues with win desktop have little to do with the potential market share they did not capture in mobile.

Cheers,
Bernard
What are you saying?

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Re: High MP Canon anytime soon?
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2013, 07:33:23 AM »

What are you saying?

I am saying that even if XP had been as stable/fun/productive as Win7, they would still be in the very same position in the mobile market.

Their problem was not default of quality on desktop, it was lack of investement in mobile.

Just my 2 cent.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: High MP Canon anytime soon?
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2013, 11:46:20 AM »

I watched a lengthy programme on the BBC last night about Google and the World Library venture. What horrified me most of all was a chap with grey hair and beard who, looking meanly into camera, declared with absolute conviction that authors have no right to copyright on their ideas...

So far, authors seem to have the won the initial legal skirmishes.

“Copyright does not cover ideas and information themselves, only the form or manner in which they are expressed.  …  Copyright laws are standardized somewhat through international conventions such as the Berne Convention and Universal Copyright Convention. These multilateral treaties have been ratified by nearly all countries, and international organizations such as the European Union or World Trade Organization require their member states to comply with them.”  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Scope

Rob, maybe you’re correct for some parts of the world (but I doubt it), but you’re wrong about copyrights in the U.S. and likely most of the world.  This concept is Copyright 101 (or even more basic if there is such a thing).  So, given your reaction, maybe that guy had reason to look so mean.   ;)
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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2013, 12:15:06 PM »

Rob, maybe you’re correct for some parts of the world (but I doubt it), but you’re wrong about copyrights in the U.S. and likely most of the world.  This concept is Copyright 101 (or even more basic if there is such a thing).  So, given your reaction, maybe that guy had reason to look so mean.   ;)





I'm not sure we're on the same wavelength: are you saying that an author doesn't have copyright to his plot, story and use of words?

If not, what's left to defend?

Rob C

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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2013, 01:58:19 PM »

I think it’s clear that we’re not on the same wavelength. :)  What I said is that copyright does not cover ideas themselves, only the form or manner in which they are expressed.  If you’re really interested, you can easily find more information, and the answer to your questions, with a quick Google search.  I don't think we need sidetrack this thread any further. If you still want to pursue a discussion about copyright of ideas, however, perhaps you can start a new thread.   
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2013, 02:29:04 PM »

A High MPixel body while a way of keeping a few pro's in the lens buying loop is hardly the arbiter of canons financial health or market share. The best seller lists are all made up of cheaper crop format bodies and the 5D III just gets in to the top ten, the d800 just outside it. I doubt there's a panic to get it to market and thus save the company.
It will be here at some point, I'll not be crying into my beige action vest if has a stop less DR or is slightly more expensive than the 'competition'
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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2013, 04:43:16 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2013, 05:17:52 PM »

Looks a bit like this:


Doesn't every photographer have one? ;D
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2013, 05:47:26 PM »

Thread title says it all.

When you look into those crystal balls do you see any hope that Canon will introduce a high MP camera to rival the Nikon D800 anytime soon?

I am loving my D800E so who cares if Canon sort of try to catch up - well at least I don't as I have no investment in Canon glass but my Hasselblad stuff is getting kind of dusty.
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