I'll cut you some slack cause you love your Nikon.
You think it's better than what you used before, fine that's a personal call.
Let me repeat. That's a personal call.
But the quote about mfd being unstable, on that I call BS.
I've shot tethered and to cards with everything I've owned. Nikon D2x, D3, D700, Canon 1ds1, 2, 3, 1dx, Leaf Valeo, Aptus, Phase p30, p30+, p21+ and Leica (no tethering on the Leica) and (drum roll please).
Nothing shot as stable, error free, tethered and to cf cards, with the stability of the Phase backs.
I've shot the Phase backs with about every kind of Mac, back to the White 27" I-macs to the next to latest Imacs, to G5's and Intel towers, three versions of 17" powerbooks up to the latest thunderbolt 17".
Early on had a few (by few I mean like three or four) problems due to some new but faulty firewire cords and had to learn to monitor the Contax battery use.
C-1 Version three was almost crash proof, V4 early on had teething problems, but now is a rock, after that .............
Nothing, Nada, not one brand or format did better than the Phase.
Do you run clean computers, new firewire cords, backups on everything, fresh or new secondary drives, max ram, modern graphics cards. Are your computers clean, your cf cards formatted and dedicated to the specific cameras, fresh batteries, clean contacts?
Did you personally know the software inside and out and/or have a dedicated tech?
In a very heavy day of shooting, I might have one slowdown/freeze a day with the Phase 99.9% of the time it's low batteries on the camera. With our Canons and Nikons I average 2 freezes a day with DPP, or Nikon Capture or C-1.
If I watch the Contax batteries I'm shocked if we have any slowdown in a week's heavy production.
So what were your problems?
You don't have to cut me some slack because I love my Nikon.
I don't love cameras. I love my wife, my kids and my dogs.
My beautiful daughter
My lovely son.. all 6'3" of him.
My Nikon are just wonderful tools sort of like my carbon fiber hand made surfboards. Tools that I have fun with.
I love kitesurfing huge waves, but I don't "love" my kitesurfing surfboards. I chose to ditch one at sea so I could go and rescue
a completed stranger out in the surf. I love humans and animals. I love my life. Cameras are tools. Some are really good
and make my life easier and help me make the picture I like making.
But back to the subject at hand... I'm not even referring to software or tethering stability and you know that perfectly well.
You know perfectly well what issue I had with the DF as I have responded to you before on this issue.
I'm talking about the DF and DF with grip freezing up and locking. I'm talking about camera stability.
I'm definitely not the only person to have had such problems.
You don't even use the DF. You use an OLD Contax system with a phase back.
I also used the my Phase One back with the Fuji GX680 and it worked flawlessly. Only very occasional problem if tethered.
Here are many other's that have these pain in the ass lockup / freeze problems and jammed shutters.
Here are some examples so please don't go making unfounded accusations of Bull Shit Mr Cooter or Russell.
Feel free to tell me that your Contax works like a charm with your phase one back, but do not accuse me of bull shitting
regarding the issue of Phase One camera stability.
As you can see from all of these there are plenty of others with similar problems.
by joshshinner » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:43 am
Just wondering how many other people were experiencing lock up problems?
Locking up being where you press to release the shutter and the camera just freezes and locks up,
and in order to get going again you have to either switch it off and on again, or remove the battery
and drain power completely. It's annoying in a normal shoot, however if you have the camera locked off
(ie for car photography) and you have to get the battery out, it is a complete nightmare.
Especially seeing as the battery release on the V Grip is terrible and doesn't pop the battery out, so you either have to use a magnet to get it out, or tip the camera!
This happens mainly in mirror up mode, however it does also happen on single and continuous modes.
We've been telling Phase about this for almost 2 years and they still haven't solved it with new firmware.
firmware on camera is 1.25 and we're using an IQ180.
by AnGy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:23 pm
Same problem here.
645 DF was used with a P40+ and now with an IQ180 and locks up sometimes one time over 10 actuations sometimes over 3 or 5 actuations.
Update of firmware to version 1.2.5 did not change anything.
joshshinner » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:47 am
So still no firmware or any sight of anything to fix the immensely irritating lock up problems....
It has been over 2 years and it is mind blowing that Phase have not addressed this issue.
And please don't say we haven't said anything about it,
Phase were first made aware of our issues regarding this well over 18 months ago and we have been promised a fix with every new firmware, yet alas no fix.
The cameras have also been back for repair in that time.
Please tell me when this is going to be sorted?
Not impressed. Still.
John232 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:17 am
My Phase One DF locks up randomly as well. The camera focuses and functions fine, but pressing the shutter button does nothing.
Usually it does this for a just a frame or two about every 25-50 shots.
I thought the issue might be a specific lens, but it does it with all my lenses ("D" versions, LS versions and 645 manual lenses).
So I am ruling out lenses as the culprit. About 2 weeks ago the camera just refused to shoot and the batteries had to come out of the camera and back.
That has never happened before.
I think the issue might be the automatic switching between LS and FP,
or something to do when the camera and/or back to come out of their power save modes, or it might be the orientation sensor -
the problem seems to happen more frequently when shooting upwards (such as shooting a skyline or tree canopy immediately above me).
Right now there are too many variables and the problem is too random for me to lay out a specific cause-effect sequence.
The DF has firmware 1.25 and the P65+ has firmware 5.2.2. The most worrisome part is a random centerfold issue with the P65.
I am pretty sure the shot (file) following lock-up has centerfold.
I've reach out to my Phase dealer, hopefully he'll have some helpful feedback. My gut feeling is that there is something amuck with the DF body.
joshshinner » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:01 am
Right now there are too many variables and the problem is too random for me to lay out a specific cause-effect sequence.
I must say John, this is the most to the point and accurate review of the phase one camera, and it's exactly what I say to anyone asking me about it.
And I completely feel your frustration... when something goes wrong, to start with it could be one of a dozen things,
which when working under time pressure is beyond irritating. Hope you get your problem fixed....
by NNN634255317662300975 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:15 pm
The shutter (in my LS lenses?) sticks shut at the rate of about 1 in 10 shots.
Actually I just sent my body in and the shutter was replaced. But I'm still having the same problem.
by NN891992 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:24 pm
is anyone still having a problem with this
both my iq160 and p30+ on 2 different DF bodies and using different computers on capture one 6.4 and 7.01 shoot occasional frames at a recorded f1
usually happens 1 frame in 100 sometimes a few frames in a row
can happen after a pause or during continuos shooting
body and back firmware up to date
any ideas at all , hyper annoying when working with directing talent into a position.
645 DF not recognising leaf shutter lenses
by NN153991UL4 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:54 am
Camera body 645df
Leaf shutter lenses 55mm, 110mm and 120 mm and 80 mm
firmware ver 3. on back
I am having trouble with leaf shutter lenses. The camera is not using the shutter speed when leaf shutter lens is on the front of camera. camera OK with normal lenses.
It overexposes to the point where it is white.
I am trying to update firmware to latest version to see if firmware?software has been corrupted.
I have taken batteries out and reset camera to factrory settings.
Cant run FWupdater error message DLL required to run is missing.
by HEIKO121 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:59 am
Since you lovked the discussion about jamming 80 mm lenses
I had to open a new one. Yes I sold my Phase One equipment.
It is not possible to work with it professionaly, as long as you do not take two lenses of the same kind with you.
And regarding to the repair of the 80 mm lens I have tto tell that it dorsn't work after the repair.
This causes me so much hassle and stress again cause i probably have to take it back.
You claim that you can't help any further because I sold it,
but perhaps you can tell me and the rest of the community how such help could look like?
Perhaps I send you the still not working lens so you can prove yourself that I'm not telling ****** here and prove that phase One offers some service at least?
by NN8850041 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:11 am
I am onto my third 80mm LS Schneider lens.
This weekend the shutter blades jammed closed and my camera was unusable.
This is the third lens of the same model to do this.
Phase One have replaced my lens every time but I am beginning to lose complete faith in the camera system?
I am shooting in the Maldives early March and I can't afford to have my kit breaking down or out of action.
The digital technician operating my camera and I were both at a loss to explain why the kit was breaking down so consistently.
I am interested to hear from Phase One or anyone with similar experiences?
by NN163027UL » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:31 pm
I had the same issue 2 weeks into the new lens.
The dealer replaced the lens no questions asked but amazingly annoying.
Now that new lens doesn't auto focus to infiniti. Need to bring it in to be fixed. WTF?!
by NNN634255317662300975 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:07 pm
I have had very similar problems lately.
During my last job, the shutter in the df body destroyed itselt while shooting.
I rented a second body. Then the shutters in both my LS80mm and LS110mm would stick shut like once in 10 shots.
They make a strange noise and then open back up.
This went on during the whole shoot.
Both the body and the lenses were one and a half months out of warranty.
I sent the body in for repair and the shutter in the body was replaced at full charge.
When I asked about the lenses, phase one's answer was I would have had to pay €350 for them to look at them,
with no guarantee that they would find a fix. In which case the shutters would be replaced at full charge.
That's about the worse service I've ever received in my life. And I'm stuck with two time bombs in my bag.
Anyone else have this problem?
by NN159009UL4 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:15 am
The shutter on my DF body stuck closed after only 2500 cycles. It has been sent in for repair but frankly,
I am hesitant to make any further additions to this system. My scheduled purchase of the 110 LS is on indefinite hold as I have again been forced to regress to my 1Ds III to complete an upcoming job.
If P1 wants to survive upcoming Japanese competition they should take notice, provide excellent customer support and and meet any responsibility arising from their own manufacturing deficiency.
by HEIKO121 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:57 pm
You claim that the leaf shutter will work over 100000 actuations and do not repair mine after only 4000?
kind of ridiculous isn´t it? And regarding to my new Nikon, there is a much bigger variety of lenses that you can carry with you and they do not cost a fortune.
On top they do not cost fortunes for repairing them.
And they do not sell me "Schneider" lenses made in Japan.
by klabton » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:40 am
History of my 80 LS lens..
- repair after +/- 4k shoots (warranty)
- locked again and replaced for a new one. (warranty)
- shutter replace ( paid ) about year ago.
- and the last one, lens locked. Today should arrive... (paid)
(twice repaired shutter in body, once digital back)
I have this gear 2,5 years.....
I don't think, this lens has capacity to take 100k shoots.
I don't even use leaf shutter. But still this lens locks after less than 20000 shots...
I realize that, after all, the best solution for tethered shooting in studio. Much, much better service than Hass...
Shooting in studio with D800 tethered is a little bit annoying...
What can be done, to improve this system???