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Mjollnir

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Suggestions for cropping?
« on: October 12, 2012, 10:57:15 AM »

Or, for that matter, improving this in general?

I like the shot, but I don't like the foreground necessarily, nor the hint of the dirt backroad we were on to far frame left.


Evening Lowering, Bishop, CA, NIK by tanngrisnir3, on Flickr
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 11:57:14 AM »

I'd probably cut off about half the foreground, up to the top of the bare area on the left. Otherwise, it looks pretty good to me.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 12:32:35 PM »

You can't have a background without a foreground. Don't crop.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 01:04:22 PM »

I'm with Russ. I like the foreground, it gives the landscape context and weight, it gives the composition literal depth.

If you absolutely hate it, trim it very very carefully. The image becomes imbalanced and unpleasant quite quickly as you slice away foreground.
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 01:11:09 PM »

Its a nice capture. The color scheme in combination with the clouds is very enjoyable. Were it my capture, Id clone a bush or 3 on the empty left side spaces and call it done.

Also, I think Id have taken a step or so to the left and caught the roadway as it leads the eye to the midground - not that that is really needed in this composition, but just sayin...

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 01:12:49 PM »

You can't have a background without a foreground. Don't crop.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 01:24:58 PM »

It a good shot. You seem to know you don't like the foreground, so crop it. It's your image, don't ask for permission to make it reflect your vision.

With that said, I like the current proportions.  I wouldn't crop.  The foreground texture is an interesting counterpoint to the texture of the sky.  The trail on the left is not initially obvious until you look for it.  If you were really bent out of shape by it, you could do a free transform to pull the left side out a bit while keeping all the sky dimensions...if you are into that sort of thing. 
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 01:28:47 PM »

Don't crop; you've done that part already and will only kill the dynamic.

What I'd do, were it mine, is darken the top of the frame with a feathered grade, something that was oh so simple and visceral with wet print. I'd probably try the same darkening at the base, too, though this might just be the influence of Van Morrison on the system as I write... what can you lose? You might like it. But don't fix what ain't broke: the framings good, and I think you gain something by not having the weeds spread evenly across all of the frame. Life is seldom a reflection, left of right.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 03:21:32 PM »

Or, for that matter, improving this in general?...

How about this:

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2012, 03:23:49 PM »

It's a great conversion, Slobodan, but it's a completely different picture making a completely different statement.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 03:36:46 PM »

I was thinking about doing that to bring out some detail and cut out some noise, but hadn't gotten around to it yet.

Well, well done (if I do say so myself)!

** On edit **

In fact, I'm working on that tonight, with some of your queues.  Really starting to like this whole black and white photography thing.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 04:03:35 PM by Mjollnir »
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 03:39:24 PM »

It's a great conversion, Slobodan, but it's a completely different picture making a completely different statement.

Yes, indeed. So?

It is putting emphasis on one part of the image (distant mountain range, with slivers of light illuminating it), not all over it. It is preventing the eye wondering out of the image (at the top) too soon (notice how the top 10% of the OP image is rather light, with the shape of clouds pointing up and out?).

Different statement? Sure. The OP statement tells me "I like something here, but I do not know exactly what or why, so I'll leave everything equally important for the viewer to chose from, like a smorgasbord."

If you put something in front of me to look at, make a statement, do not let me, as a viewer, do the work for you. Tell me why I shall pay attention to it. Grab my attention.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 03:42:10 PM by Slobodan Blagojevic »
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2012, 04:01:12 PM »

The usual excellence from you Slobodan.

And it is reassuring,too, that the OP expressed his gratitude also.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2012, 04:22:26 PM »

I was thinking about doing that to bring out some detail and cut out some noise, but hadn't gotten around to it yet.

Well, well done (if I do say so myself)!

** On edit **

In fact, I'm working on that tonight, with some of your queues.  Really starting to like this whole black and white photography thing.

Thanks, appreciated. You can PM me if you want to know what exactly I did to the image. Alternatively, if others are interested, I can publish it here.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2012, 04:25:59 PM »

Thanks, appreciated. You can PM me if you want to know what exactly I did to the image. Alternatively, if others are interested, I can publish it here.

If you don't mind, here would be fine.

I noticed right off the bat the darkening the top of the frame sort of draws the viewers eyes down to center frame.

Clever, that.
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2012, 05:55:45 PM »

Yes, indeed. So?

Reminds me of what one of my granddaughters said long ago when she was little and we were playing a game. I said, "Whitney, you're cheating." She gave me a level look and said, "So?"

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Different statement? Sure. The OP statement tells me "I like something here, but I do not know exactly what or why, so I'll leave everything equally important for the viewer to chose from, like a smorgasbord."

Well said my friend. The same thing applies to street photography. There are pictures on the street and then there are street photographs. The first leaves everything equally important (though there may be a subject), the second makes a point.

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2012, 07:07:54 PM »

Reminds me of what one of my granddaughters said long ago when she was little and we were playing a game. I said, "Whitney, you're cheating." She gave me a level look and said, "So?"...


Yep, that sounds about right from a kid's perspective :)

But I was actually paying homage to a more "mature" response from one of your heroes (allow me to presume so), Donald Rumsfeld, when reminded in an interview that the majority of public opinion is against the war. His answer: "So?" ;)

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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 08:26:00 PM »

I'd probably cut off about half the foreground, up to the top of the bare area on the left. Otherwise, it looks pretty good to me.

Jeremy

Yes, I would crop up the the top of the bare area about 1/3 in from the left, I think the near foreground tends to suck energy out of the photograph.
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Re: Suggestions for cropping?
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2012, 09:06:18 PM »

Yes, I would crop up the the top of the bare area about 1/3 in from the left, I think the near foreground tends to suck energy out of the photograph.

You and I, Alan, would appear to be in a minority of two. Not that that's a problem, of course.

Jeremy
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