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Schewe

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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2012, 10:55:10 PM »

This is a mindset that looks for the reality behind the appearance.

Uh huh...prove it. Where can we see your work? Are you worthy?
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2012, 10:59:52 PM »

Again, missing the point. I am never "worthy," never finished, merely searching. One thing I am searching for is additional information about human perceptions of tonal values. By the way, very good photographs!
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2012, 11:02:12 PM »

Again, missing the point. I am never "worthy," never finished, merely searching

Again, care to share?

Otherwise I'm inclined to think you are a troll...you make some broad statements and refuse to back them up with images...show your stuff. Or not (and that tells us a lot).
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2012, 11:10:27 PM »

Wow.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2012, 11:34:50 PM »

Wow.

Wow what?...

Got anything to share? You got "stuff"?

Or are you just flapping your gums?

Come on dooode, you got anything to contribute? Got images to show to support your concept that midtones rule?
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2012, 11:45:14 PM »

See attached.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2012, 11:50:20 PM »

In other studies, for example, humans were found to prefer a savanna landscape. 
Then, why would one bother to shoot anything else than savanna landscapes?
(BTW I'm interested in a source for that result)

Just for the record, my personal kind of savanna...
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2012, 12:02:14 AM »

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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2012, 12:49:11 AM »

See attached.

Blown out highlights...(on all your images), maybe you want to pay more attention to the highlights and less to the midtones?

Just saying'

Which doesn't really have a lot to do with the concept of "support the hypothesis that humans possess an innate preference for savanna-like settings, which then is modified through experience and enculturation."

Really dooode, I think you need to shoot more and think less...
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2012, 12:56:30 AM »

Only midtones. See attached.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2012, 01:01:08 AM »

Thanks for sharing some of your work (I guess). Again, think less, shoot more...screw the midtones!

Might be nice to say what your real name is...you know, instead of hiding behind a "screen name".

Are you "John H. Falk"  or "John D. Balling" or just referencing them?

Gotta tell ya, PV 2012 will do a much better job of tone control than what you've shown...just sayin' Ya might wanna learn how to use ACR 7.x and LR 4.x to get the best end result.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2012, 01:02:35 AM »

Mostly midtones see attached.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2012, 01:07:45 AM »

Thank you for your review. Your credentials are impeccable. I am neither of those persons. I will read your books.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2012, 01:17:03 AM »

I am neither of those persons.

So, who are you...what do you do?
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2012, 01:36:04 AM »

Classified, retired.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2012, 02:01:10 AM »

Jeff, quit while you are ahead. You already won.

And about the savanna thing... it's ironic, tonight I watched the premier of a TV show on the Discovery Channel called "How the Earth Made Man." The theme is how we evolved to what we are based on the earth's changing environment over millions of years.

There was a short segment where subjects were shown landscape photos and asked which place they would rather live in. They all picked a wide open, green rolling hills scene, and rejected a jungle, a desert, and a snow covered mountain. Strong echo of the Falk/Balling abstract linked above.

But the important point is they were asked where they wanted to live, not which scene appealed most to their asthetic interest, and certainly not which photograph was the "best". (All the photos were artistic and excellent quality, by the way.)

The researchers used this "experiment" to validate their theory that we humans are genetically wired to favor a location that has the least predators against us, and the most bounty for us. Unfortunately, the Falk/Balling abstract does not mention this detail.

And about the perfect face thing... There is a lot of solid research about that. Several years ago, the BBS aired a mini-series called "The Human Face" that referenced a lot of the research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Face).

Here's another link about the analysis of the perfect face. Unfortunately, the site is pretty messed up and not maintained.

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2012, 02:13:40 AM »

Sorry, I don't understand the idea of won or lost? Could you explain what you are referring to? I am merely seeking answers. Is that a contest?
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2012, 04:30:00 AM »

The inquiry is to what extent midtones may be of greater perceptual significance.
... Given a survey, with a statistically significant population, a normal distribution of responses would demonstrate a human preference for particular combination of the above tones.

Here is an image we just had coincidently open in Photoshop.
The Mean value ("brightness") appears to be in the ballpark, however, the Standard Deviation is quite high. Only 40% of the pixels are in a broader midtone range. 60% are actually in the shadows of the mountains, the dark green forest and the highlight range of the sky. Maybe some more of the dark pixels need to be moved to the midtones. Anyway.

It would certainly be nice to have a database for reference, of good images and the corresponding readouts from the histogram, however, one key question might be how narrow the photographic subject would have to be defined in order to support meaningful statistics across such group of images, and to be of help with regard to possible conclusions for an individual image.

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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2012, 04:40:52 AM »

Brilliant! A more comprehensive statistical analysis of such issues, I believe, can open new avenues of understanding. Thank you very much for this post.
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Re: Midtones and tonal range
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2012, 05:08:24 AM »

I don't think - can't be bothered to re read all of the posts - that nobody has mentioned that midtones can be re mapped in LR - or another program - from 1/4 and 3/4 tones. Also the lack of midtones could be the lack of exposure technique? To be honest I don't really see any meaning to the original post.
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