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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 05:21:35 AM »

The problem with this camera is the same as buying an Apple laptop. You just know in a few months at most an improved rendition will be available with the additional feature(s) you really wanted.

$2700 experiment in Marketing...

Don't get me wrong, I have three Apple laptops, but I use them. This is, as someone noted a fling, not a tool.
Hmm.  I'm on my fourth Apple laptop and observe that each step "up" is accompanied by steps down.  The "additional features" of my latest one are minor and the losses huge (six months later I'm still grumpy).

Cameras, on the other hand, are improving relentlessly.  Based on a brief first-hand experience with the A99, I expect much from the RX1 sensor.  The lens has potential to be great.  The minimalism is really it's standout feature amongst cameras of that format.  With respect, I think this is a tool, albeit quite a specialised one.  I think, in a sense, it may prove to be a bargain but don't expect to get one anyway.  Iv'e bought too many bargains recently!

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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2012, 01:02:23 PM »

Damn shame they didn't put in a popup viewfinder in place of the popup flash.
What a great idea!  I really cannot remember the last time i used the pop-up (or built-in) flash on my camera.  My pocket camera is an old and trusty pannie LX3 and there are many times I would really like an EVF in place of the virtually useless flash.  I, however, do have the advantage of being extremely nearsighted, enough so that without my glasses I can hold the LCD almost at my eye.
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2012, 11:21:27 AM »

Actually, I think the RX1 is a brilliant camera. Lots of people will not get it, both physically (because of price) and conceptually (because it does not suit them), but it is a great design.
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2012, 08:27:51 AM »

If there was a built in VF of some kind, they would have made a killing.  Without the VF, they will still do ok, but it is a niche product for sure.  I predict price cuts quickly after the initial surge ends. 
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2012, 10:33:40 AM »

What a great idea!  I really cannot remember the last time i used the pop-up (or built-in) flash on my camera.  My pocket camera is an old and trusty pannie LX3 and there are many times I would really like an EVF in place of the virtually useless flash.  I, however, do have the advantage of being extremely nearsighted, enough so that without my glasses I can hold the LCD almost at my eye.

I had an LX5 and added the electronic view finder. I wanted this to be my every day carry camera. (I was a ski instructor for 35 years, and wanted to use it skiing.) However, this didn't work for me. The ordeal of taking the camera out, rigging the EVF, getting a shot or two, then putting it all away...frankly wasn't worth the bother. Part of the challenge is keeping the camera/evf safe, and me too in case of falls...though they don't happen often.

YMMV; I didn't keep the LX5 and finder.
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2012, 03:41:44 PM »

If there was a built in VF of some kind, they would have made a killing.  Without the VF, they will still do ok, but it is a niche product for sure.  I predict price cuts quickly after the initial surge ends. 

There is a built-in VF. It is a large 3" screen on the back, just like the other successful Sony camera, the RX100.

Well, the price makes it a "niche" product. But then many cameras used by members here are niche products.

Certainly the RX100 prices have dropped quickly...
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2012, 09:01:29 AM »

There is a built-in VF. It is a large 3" screen on the back, just like the other successful Sony camera, the RX100.

I think you know what I meant.   :-[  Nobody calls an LCD a viewfinder, they call it a screen.  

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Well, the price makes it a "niche" product. But then many cameras used by members here are niche products.

And your point is...?
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2012, 01:38:50 PM »

It seems that fuji and Sony have some nice features. Wonder what could have been if one could pick and choose from the RX-1 and the x-pro1 and had it all in one camera.

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theguywitha645d

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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2012, 02:14:42 PM »

I think you know what I meant.   :-[  Nobody calls an LCD a viewfinder, they call it a screen.  

Well, I call it a viewfinder because that is exactly what it is. An EVF is simply a small screen after all.

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And your point is...?

Reenforcing your point.
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"Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2012, 04:16:21 PM »

I think you know what I meant.   :-[  Nobody calls an LCD a viewfinder, they call it a screen.
Some of us call the external screen a viewfinder, because it is. I agree with "Guy" that it would be good to acknowledge that, on cameras where the rear screen provides a live view usable for composition, it is a viewfinder, as surely as the similarly-sized frosted glass screen device on the top of old-style medium format film cameras (ones without "prism-finders") is a viewfinder, and has always been called that.

And by the way, do all those old-timers who complain about the unstable ergonomics and problems in sunlight of these external screen video "live-view-finders” also have as much contempt for the old "top-down ground glass medium format camera viewfinders"? Even the tiltable external live-view-finders that can be used top-down with the camera-holding hands resting on one's belly?

I like to distinguish the two types of live-view-finders as
- "one-eyed", "peep-hole" or "eye-level".
- "two-eyed", "external" or "rear-screen". Or "tripod friendly". Or "low angle friendly".
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2012, 11:02:22 AM »

And by the way, do all those old-timers who complain about the unstable ergonomics and problems in sunlight of these external screen video "live-view-finders” also have as much contempt for the old "top-down ground glass medium format camera viewfinders"?

Not an old-timer, but yes.

Give me a huge, bright, 100% viewfinder with step-less dioptre correction and an eyecup that eliminates all extraneous light and I'm ready to work.

LCDs are for punks and chimps.
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2012, 02:58:12 PM »

LCDs are for punks and chimps.


Wow. You must just be the greatest photographer in the world. I wonder why the camera companies just don't defer to your superior intellect.  ::)
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2012, 03:00:12 PM »

Wow. You must just be the greatest photographer in the world.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 03:04:34 PM by KLaban »
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2012, 04:48:25 PM »

Not an old-timer, but yes.

Give me a huge, bright, 100% viewfinder with step-less dioptre correction and an eyecup that eliminates all extraneous light and I'm ready to work.

LCDs are for punks and chimps.


RIGHT ON!
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2012, 05:46:13 PM »

Wow. You must just be the greatest photographer in the world. I wonder why the camera companies just don't defer to your superior intellect.  ::)

Has the ability to detect irony completely disappeared from the face of the earth?

Sheesh!

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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2012, 10:35:20 PM »

Not an old-timer, but yes.

Give me a huge, bright, 100% viewfinder with step-less dioptre correction and an eyecup that eliminates all extraneous light and I'm ready to work.

LCDs are for punks and chimps.


Yawn.  While good eyecups are great, LCDs are for anyone capable of taking pictures.

Please be less stupid.
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2012, 11:09:16 PM »

Has the ability to detect irony completely disappeared from the face of the earth?
Was it ever common?
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2012, 04:04:24 AM »

Has the ability to detect irony completely disappeared from the face of the earth?

There are certainly times here on LuLa when you'd be forgiven for thinking it had.
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Re: "Live-view-finders": one-eyed versus two-eyed types
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2012, 10:19:22 AM »

There are certainly times here on LuLa when you'd be forgiven for thinking it had.

This is why I hate dealing with the public.
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Re: Sony RX1 discussion
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2012, 12:09:55 PM »

Don't kill this thread, please !!
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