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mac_paolo

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #140 on: September 26, 2012, 12:32:05 PM »

Was wondering if anyone has been running LR 4.2 Beta to process their RX100 RAW images?  Do you convert the images in 4.2 and go back to 4.1 to edit?  Or is 4.2 stable enough to complete the editing, and final printing? 
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It's a RC (Release Candidate). It means that it's stable enough for everyday use. It's not a beta.
It overwritten my 4.1 and works flawlessly for me since then. :)
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thierrylegros396

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #141 on: September 26, 2012, 12:35:23 PM »

LR4.2 RC is as stable as a final version :) ;)

Magnetic fixed filter will be the best solution ;)

Thierry
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #142 on: September 26, 2012, 01:28:06 PM »


Magnetic fixed filter will be the best solution ;)


It seems like a good alternative but I am concerned about placing a strong magnet onto a device that depends on moving electrons about on a nano scale ???

Glad to hear about 4.2! Thanks!!
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mac_paolo

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #143 on: September 26, 2012, 01:59:45 PM »

LR4.2 RC is as stable as a final version :) ;)
Not exactly. A GM would be quite as stable as a Release Candidate. Beside that I didn't find any serious bug :)
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #144 on: September 26, 2012, 02:04:23 PM »

Whats a GM?
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #145 on: September 27, 2012, 02:41:35 PM »

Whats a GM?

A genetically modified version  ;)

Alternatively, a golden master.

Jeremy
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Re: Sony RX100 - interesting filter holder
« Reply #146 on: September 27, 2012, 03:10:04 PM »

Just saw this filter adapter (threaded ring is attached to front of lens with double-sided tape).  Filters I don't care so much about, but this would let me use a lens hood, which I do care about.  Of course, and attached lens hood destroys the compact form factor of the camera (somewhat).  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNv6IXJZ3xI
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2012, 11:45:03 AM »

To wake-up the post and give more information about lowest ISO ;) ;)


I've made a lot of tests this afternoon, and now I've understood almost everything.

So, I've made manual shots (@f3.5) of a colorchecker, 1st 1/4s @ISO80, 2nd 1/5s @ISO100, 3rd 1/6s @ISO125.
All shots are properly exposed (ETTR) and need only a slight correction (max 0.1Ev) to obtain exactly same exposure in LR4.2.

Results: RAW with same exposure exhibit more noise @ISO100 and even more @ISO125, so DXOMark DR results are correct !

JPG doesn't need any exposure correction, exposure really identical, but it's clear that ISO125 is progressively compressed in the highlights, but neither ISO80, nor ISO100, so DPReview results are correct too !

So, if you shoot RAW, use ISO80 if it's possible.

Also noticed that the 2 last patches of my colorcheker were blinking (@ISO80 and 100), but RAW data were not clipped !!!


Have a Nice Day.

Thierry
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #148 on: November 25, 2012, 01:15:47 AM »

Hi!

What happens is that exposure is actually reduced. So if a certain patch would see 1000 photons at 1/4s it would only see 666 photons at 1/6s. From photon statistics, SNR would be 31.6 at 1/4s and 25.8 at 1/6s. That is physics, nothing software can do anything about. The JPEG processing pipeline probably does some noise reduction and sharpening (among many other things) and will take ISO setting into account.

Best regards
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To wake-up the post and give more information about lowest ISO ;) ;)


I've made a lot of tests this afternoon, and now I've understood almost everything.

So, I've made manual shots (@f3.5) of a colorchecker, 1st 1/4s @ISO80, 2nd 1/5s @ISO100, 3rd 1/6s @ISO125.
All shots are properly exposed (ETTR) and need only a slight correction (max 0.1Ev) to obtain exactly same exposure in LR4.2.

Results: RAW with same exposure exhibit more noise @ISO100 and even more @ISO125, so DXOMark DR results are correct !

JPG doesn't need any exposure correction, exposure really identical, but it's clear that ISO125 is progressively compressed in the highlights, but neither ISO80, nor ISO100, so DPReview results are correct too !

So, if you shoot RAW, use ISO80 if it's possible.

Also noticed that the 2 last patches of my colorcheker were blinking (@ISO80 and 100), but RAW data were not clipped !!!


Have a Nice Day.

Thierry

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #149 on: November 25, 2012, 07:08:16 AM »

More tests this morning that confirm results of DXO ;) ;)

I've made 9 shots of the colorchecker in manual mode @ISO100, the first to be just below onset of clipping, others with speed doubled each time (-1EV steps).

Developped in LR with exposure compensation.

Up to +5EV, no problems, but after I've to tweak with curves to obtain the good correction.

318 is -6EV, 316 is -4EV, 313 is -2EV, 311 is correct exposure.

As you can see, results are very good up to -6EV.
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thierrylegros396

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #150 on: November 25, 2012, 07:17:17 AM »

The last one -8EV had to be tweaked with massive NR (100 lum. and 50 chrom.), some contrast and some vibrance to restore colors.

Of course, it's far from a perfect result !!!

So, if the DR of a colorchecker is 6EV, fairly good results of the -6EV exposure confirms the 12EV DR found by DXO.

And NR of LR4.2 allows me to obtain 1 more EV.

Have a Nice Day.

Thierry


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thierrylegros396

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #151 on: November 25, 2012, 01:54:21 PM »

To compare, I've tested my old G10, very disapointed :-[

1392 is properly exposed, 1394 is -2EV, 1396 is -4 EV, 1396 is -6EV.

But the biggest difference is that even @ISO80 the properly exposed shot exhibit noise in the blue channel !!!

Hopefully LR4.2 has a very good noise reduction system that works well up to -4EV with no drawbaks at all.

But below -4EV it's another matter.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #152 on: November 25, 2012, 02:04:02 PM »

So, my G10 DR is just under 10EV @ISO80, with really worse SNR18% than the RX100.

The last G10 shot (-8EV), just to show you that it's really unusable.

But in real world, with good light, G10 is not crappy, and sometimes I prefer G10 result over RX100 !!!

Why, it's very difficult to explain, just like you may prefer valve audio amp ;) ;) ;)

Thierry

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Re: Sony RX100... vs Sigma DP2M
« Reply #153 on: November 25, 2012, 06:40:57 PM »

Michael,

How does it compare to the Sigma DP2M?

Pro's / con's of both? Independent of price difference.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2012, 10:36:15 AM »

I guess Michael is on vacation ...... :(

....... or he is still figuring out which one is best. :)
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2012, 11:12:46 PM »

Or he doesn't want to indulge the question of what the differences are between apples and oranges.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #156 on: November 28, 2012, 11:46:42 AM »

Thierry,

Thanks for the research.  DR is more important to me that noise on the RX100, so I always have shot at 125 assuming that's what will give me the most DR.  What could you tell about where the DR "sweet spot" is from the tests you ran?
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thierrylegros396

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #157 on: November 28, 2012, 11:58:07 AM »

From all my tests, it appears that you'd better choose ISO80 for RAW.

But if you use Jpg ISO125 will give you the best results.

Just pay attention that "Blinking Clipping Indicator" is extremely conservative (about 0.7EV), so you don't need to add a safety margin when using ETTR in RAW  ;) ;) ;)

Have a Nice Day.

Thierry
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #158 on: November 28, 2012, 12:26:44 PM »

DR is more important to me that noise on the RX100, so I always have shot at 125 assuming that's what will give me the most DR. 

Bill Claff's data shows that the photographically useful dynamic range is as follows:

 - ISO 81 ... 8.73 stops
 - ISO 100 ... 8.41 stops
 - ISO 126 ... 8.71 stops

http://home.comcast.net/~nikond70/Charts/PDR.htm
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #159 on: November 28, 2012, 12:30:56 PM »

Or he doesn't want to indulge the question of what the differences are between apples and oranges.

I believe Michael may have said he was going to compare the Sony RX1 with the Sigma and this could be the source of confusion here ...
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