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Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« on: April 22, 2012, 07:57:54 pm »

Hello,

About 18 months ago I read on the web that Nikon had applied for a patent for a removable anti aliasing system.

My question is does any one think that it could be possible that Nikon might put this system in the new Nikon D4x?

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Simon
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 08:01:07 pm »

D4x? Did I miss a new announcement somewhere?

Hello,

About 18 months ago I read on the web that Nikon had applied for a patent for a removable anti aliasing system.

My question is does any one think that it could be possible that Nikon might put this system in the new Nikon D4x?

Cheers

Simon
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 02:25:10 am »

Hello,

About 18 months ago I read on the web that Nikon had applied for a patent for a removable anti aliasing system.

My question is does any one think that it could be possible that Nikon might put this system in the new Nikon D4x?

Cheers

Simon

I think that would be a very good feature to have in any camera, looking forward to see if Nikon in fact are going to make a Nikon D4x. I personally don't think that they are going to make that camera, I think Nikon will go the same way Canon has, with dropping the D3x line (like Canon did with 1Ds).
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 02:34:42 am »

I think that would be a very good feature to have in any camera, looking forward to see if Nikon in fact are going to make a Nikon D4x. I personally don't think that they are going to make that camera, I think Nikon will go the same way Canon has, with dropping the D3x line (like Canon did with 1Ds).

It's not really 'dropping' the line - more that the D800 has subsumed everything the D3x was, and more.

They can justify the price of the 1Dx and D4 on the basis of ultra-fast frame rate for action photography (although a high-pixel-density version is still needed for long telephoto use, where you would expect to crop significantly from a full-frame sensor - the 1Dx cropped to the equivalent field of view of the APS-H sensors using the same lens would be just 10MP). But, now that the D800 has redefined the price bracket for a full-featured, high-resolution, weather-sealed body with good AF, it would be very difficult for either company to backtrack and release a similar body for $6k+. Maybe they can stretch it to $4.5k, if they include such features as 16-bit A/D conversion, but no more.
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 06:15:13 am »

About 18 months ago I read on the web that Nikon had applied for a patent for a removable anti aliasing system.

My question is does any one think that it could be possible that Nikon might put this system in the new Nikon D4x?

Considering how the D800 and D800E are very similar physically from a sensor design standpoint, I am wondering whether than was not the initial design intend. Just wild guessing though.

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Bernard

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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 06:50:49 am »

Hi,

I would not take a D4X for granted, not sure there is either a need or a market with the D800 being as good as it seems to be.

Best regarads
Erik


D4x? Did I miss a new announcement somewhere?

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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2012, 06:00:22 pm »

Simon,
I read that as well.
Personally, I do believe there will be a D4x.
Unless the D4, is now Nikon's "flagship" camera.
We will just have to wait and see.

In the mean time I have to deal with my lousy D3x(Just kidding)
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 07:39:36 pm »

It's not really 'dropping' the line - more that the D800 has subsumed everything the D3x was, and more.


Unless of course you factor in the D3x is a much better camera. Quality, feel, size, fps, focus accuracy, etc
If file is all matters you are correct.
(This from someone who has the D4, d800 and D3x. And the d800 will be the last one I reach for when shooting people/lifestyle which is what I do for a living)
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 08:17:07 pm »

Unless of course you factor in the D3x is a much better camera. Quality, feel, size, fps, focus accuracy, etc

My experience differs in terms of focus accuracy, I have more keepers with the D800.

Regarding shooting speed, there is no practical difference (5fps vs 4fps).

Regarding quality, I am not sure what you mean other than feel. As far as feel goes, the D3x is heavier which gives a feel of quality, but holding the D800 for sure does not give the impression of holding some cheap camera. It is assembled by the same people on the same assembly lines in the same factory, except it is an improved one following the repair they had to perform.

Size is a matter of preference and target application. I find the D800 superior for landscape work.

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Bernard

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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 10:45:25 pm »

My experience differs in terms of focus accuracy, I have more keepers with the D800.

Regarding shooting speed, there is no practical difference (5fps vs 4fps).

Regarding quality, I am not sure what you mean other than feel. As far as feel goes, the D3x is heavier which gives a feel of quality, but holding the D800 for sure does not give the impression of holding some cheap camera. It is assembled by the same people on the same assembly lines in the same factory, except it is an improved one following the repair they had to perform.

Size is a matter of preference and target application. I find the D800 superior for landscape work.

Cheers,
Bernard


And for completely different work shooting moving people while usually moving myself, the d3x is a better "camera". The continuous servo af of the d800 isn't as accurate and the 1.5fps is a big deal.
When handholding, weight means sharper as well. And having hands that are somewhat larger than a dwarf's, I prefer the D3x for feel.
I have to say I disagree as well about the d800 feeling like a good camera. Feels more like a D7000 than Nikon's pro line. Not talking file here, only camera(I feel the same way about Canon's 5D line)
I really like the file but would have rather had a D4 with 24 mp and 2-3 better stop performance than the d3x.
But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2012, 12:18:40 am »

Hello,

Personally I think Nikon are going to bring out a Nikon D4x and if they do incorporate a removal anti aliasing filter I would gladly pay a premium to have the ability to choose between having a AA filter or not in one camera.

Hopefully Nikon are reading this blog.

Cheers

Simon
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 05:54:24 pm »

Hello,

Here is a link to the article about a removable AA filter.

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/05/21/nikon-patent-for-onoff-optical-low-pass-filter-olpf.aspx/

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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 05:58:54 pm »

I'll gladly pay $7999 for that one!
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 07:01:03 pm »

Just because a company designs and parents a product doesn't mean they'll ever implement it in a product.

With a removable anti-aliasing filter we won't have to  wait long for the flood of posts  about really dirty sensors and "what was Nikon thinking!" complaints.
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 08:12:40 pm »

Having now looked at the link,  the patent isn't for a removable low pass filter but for one that can be turned on and off. That is interesting!
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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 10:48:19 pm »

Hello,

Even thought I have a Nikon D800E on order if Nikon do install this technology into a Nikon D4x I will be buying this camera model as well. All of my new camera equipment purchases are now in Nikon equipment. As for my business is concerned medium format photography is now obsolete and antiquated.

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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2012, 06:07:14 am »

Hello,

Even thought I have a Nikon D800E on order if Nikon do install this technology into a Nikon D4x I will be buying this camera model as well. All of my new camera equipment purchases are now in Nikon equipment. As for my business is concerned medium format photography is now obsolete and antiquated.

Cheers

Simon

Simon,

I know  your a smart guy that shoots beautiful work and I'm sure you buy what you need, though I've come to the conclusion in all forms of digital capture . . . if it ain't broke, don't change it.

In regards to still cameras, every year or so I added the latest, or the different, from all brands and now, I see only a small gain in final delivery.

Sure the D800 looks tempting, so did the d3x, but with the Canon 1ds3's I'm pretty much zoned in them and don't have s single client that knows if it's a 22mpx file, a 31mpx file, or probably even 40 mpx.  I can see the difference in the non AA filtered Medium format backs I own and the Leica, but to the client . . . they care more about the content or style of the shot than anything they see by zooming in at 200%.

Now I say this, but as we have moved heavily into motion I got sucked back in.  First a 5d2 with add ons that cost more than the cameras and a few lenses, then a panasonic for a crash cam, our first RED One, a second RED One for backup, a DIT station that almost needs it's own van, then a Sony for quick autofocus, graphics cards, large raids, expensive software, more monitors, more comput . . . well you get the idea and honestly I should have stopped at the RED 1's and left it at that because I reach for them 95% of the time. 

But no, as soon as I said out loud, "that's enough" I ordered an Epic, though woke up a little, changed that to a Scarlet, which I rarely use.

So once again, new rule.  If it's not billable, isn't a must have I'll hold off and put our resource where needed.

Now the funny thing is one of the most stylistic movies I've seen in a long time, Wes Anderson's moonlight kingdom, is shot super 16.  Now that's funny, or ironic, or maybe just bloody brilliant, because if anyone had told me that in 2012 with 90% of all media shown in some form of digital display that anyone would be pointing a 16mm camera at any A list actor, I'd have thought I was transported back a decade or more.

Last week I was in a book store in Santa Monica and bought a beautiful quarterly periodical that had new photography about california culture, most shot on transparency film, all with a beautiful color pallete and look.  A look that would take me two weeks in post if I shot it digital capture.

Now  . . . should I buy an Aaeton, and start dusting off my film still cameras?

Hmm.

All the best.

BC


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Re: Nikon D4x removable anti aliasing filter
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2012, 07:04:35 am »

Hi James,

I know exactly when you mentioned “if it ain't broke, don't change it” I am a great believer in that quote.

What I have noticed in my business over the past year is the Nikon D3x is now the primary camera I choose for me especially on location. Combining the Nikon with my Nikon/PocketWizard flash system or the Dedo tungsten lights I am using more and more and the Nikon’s ability to shot high ISO and produce clean blacks it just makes sense when you have the constraints of time and art directors.

Over the past couple of years now I have be change all of my old Nikon D lenses to the new G models with the nano coatings which are a vast improvement on the old D’s. If Nikon had said they had sprinkled them in fairy dust I would believe them there that good.

Again James I totally agree with you with or comment “but to the client . . . they care more about the content or style of the shot than anything they see by zooming in at 200%”. But what they do care about is speed and getting the shot they want with the image in focus where its meant to be the dynamic range of the image is covered so the retoucher has plenty of information to do there magic. Personally the new Nikon D800E I have ordered will fit well as a companion with my Nikon D3x and you never know I might ever have a play with the video mode.

Getting back to medium format I have invested thousand of dollars in the Leaf Aptus 75 back and in controlled situations as in my studio with my Mamiya RZ system it is a joy to work with and as it owes my nothing and has made me hundreds of thousands of dollars I could never part with it.

In saying this my Mamiya 645 AFDII kit hasn’t been use in 18 months so it is all going to be sold.

All the best

Simon
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