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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 03:20:20 PM »

Don’t waste your time with the ColorMunki Display, it is the same hardware as the Pro with crippled software.

...not to mention the slower speed, lack of thermal stabilization, tripod mount, and 3rd party software support (with the exception of ArgyllCMS).

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 03:41:49 PM »

How often do you use the tripod mount?

How often have you seen a disparity caused by the lack thermal stabilization?

How often do you think most photographers use 3rd party color management software?

yes all of those things can be very important - well maybe not the tripod mount  - but it depends on what the user does.

it is easy to accept a deeper more complex feature set as adding value, but only if you actually use those features.

Andrew's points "having full control over luminance, white points  and contrast ratio"  are the only ones presented so far that make  a valid case against the CM Display for most reasonably critical photographers. You can always add more eggs and sugar to a pudding but that won't always make it taste better. 

Let's not forget that  Lupin will be using an Eizo CG241 so presumably he will be using Eizo's Color Navigator program instead of either the i1 Profiler or the ColorMunki software.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2012, 03:45:29 PM »

How often do you use the tripod mount?

Only when profiling a projector.

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How often do you think most photographers use 3rd party color management software?

Depends on their needs and when the host software doesn’t meet their needs. Hence my advise about skipping the crippled software...

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Let's not forget that  Lupin will be using an Eizo CG241 so presumably he will be using Eizo's Color Navigator program instead of either the i1 Profiler or the ColorMunki software.

And ColorMunki Display is supported?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2012, 03:54:40 PM »

And ColorMunki Display is supported?
Of course not.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2012, 03:56:50 PM »

"And ColorMunki Display is supported?"

Good call on that Andrew! I thought it now did but am wrong according to Eizo @ http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/cn/index.html  : "ColorMunki Display is not supported."

I withdraw my recommendation of the ColorMunki Display to Lupin.

Go with the Xrite i1 Display Pro
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2012, 03:59:37 PM »

"And ColorMunki Display is supported?"

Good call on that Andrew! I thought it now did but am wrong according to Eizo @ http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/cn/index.html  : "ColorMunki Display is not supported."

I withdraw my recommendation of the ColorMunki Display to Lupin.

Go with the Xrite i1 Display Pro
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2012, 01:02:20 PM »

I still haven't decided which to go for.  ???

I'm thinking of buying a printer fairly soon so wonder if the Color Munki Photo is the best bet. Does anyone have any thoughts on this device?

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2012, 01:48:04 PM »

I still haven't decided which to go for.  ???

I'm thinking of buying a printer fairly soon so wonder if the Color Munki Photo is the best bet. Does anyone have any thoughts on this device?


I would go for it. Never heard anyone say anything bad about it :)
If you want to be more serious, you could go straight for i1Pro2 Basic, or maybe get an old i1Pro off ebay.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2012, 02:00:49 PM »

If you have the money and will be printing enough to justify the expense,  the new i1 Pro Photo 2  set up is as good as it gets. If you'll really be using a lot of different papers and constantly profiling, you'll probably want to add the i1iO table to automate the process.

If you will be printing mostly as an extension of your hobby or for the occassional portfolio or exhibition, the  ColorMunki Photo works very well.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2012, 02:13:36 PM »

Thanks Edmund & Ellis.

The i1 Pro Photo would be nice but it's $1700 new over here (UK)  :o. The Color Munki Photo is around $450 - have both of you tried it?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2012, 02:18:53 PM »

The i1 Pro Photo would be nice but it's $1700 new over here (UK)  :o. The Color Munki Photo is around $450 - have both of you tried it?

Yes and they are apples and oranges in terms of functionality, options for profile creation and so forth. Now the Munki is a fine product. If that is your price point, go for it. The difference in price you quote is pretty significant.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2012, 02:34:18 PM »

I agree with Andrew Rodney.  I have not worked with the i1 Pro Photo 2 kit but am using the one that came out lasst fall and I use ColorMunki Photo as well.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2012, 03:34:32 PM »

Thanks Edmund & Ellis.

The i1 Pro Photo would be nice but it's $1700 new over here (UK)  :o. The Color Munki Photo is around $450 - have both of you tried it?

I have tried everything :)
The CM is a universal instrument, and I would recommend it if you think you can amortize it on a couple of generations of equipment.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2012, 08:14:44 PM »

Ed and Ellis - sadly, the i1 Pro Photo is way too expensive for me, so my two main options seem to be these:

   a) Purchase the i1 Display Pro and use it now for calibrating my CG241W - then buy a second device for printer profiling after I've
       actually bought the printer.

   b) Purchase the Color Munki Photo and use it for the CG241W now and the printer later.

In the long run, option a) will probably cost a lot more more than option b) so the Color Munki Pro seems the wisest choice (even though the i1 Display Pro is newer technology). Does my logic sound sensible to you?



PS. I forgot to mention - there are one or two poor reviews of the Color Munki Photo on Amazon. I'm not sure if they're valid criticisms though - http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B00169N0BK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1




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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2012, 09:29:14 PM »

Ed and Ellis - sadly, the i1 Pro Photo is way too expensive for me, so my two main options seem to be these:

   a) Purchase the i1 Display Pro and use it now for calibrating my CG241W - then buy a second device for printer profiling after I've actually bought the printer.
   b) Purchase the Color Munki Photo and use it for the CG241W now and the printer later.

Or c) Get an i1DisplayPro an maintain excellent display calibration and employ a remote profiling service for occasional top-notch printer profiles when you need them.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2012, 07:13:43 AM »

Or c) Get an i1DisplayPro an maintain excellent display calibration and employ a remote profiling service for occasional top-notch printer profiles when you need them.

Yes, I'd thought about that Scott. It's a good option if only a few printer profiles are needed - but what if more are needed long-term?

The difference in price between the Color Munki Photo and the i1 Display Pro is approx £110 (GBP). Remote profiling costs around £13 per profile - so I could get 8 profiles before the cost of option c) overtakes option b). Would that be enough long-term?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2012, 07:24:26 AM »

PS. £13 is the cheapest I can find, it can be up to £18.

http://www.nativedigital.com/products/Custom-ICC-Printer-Profile.html
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2012, 08:49:15 AM »


The CM is a universal instrument, and I would recommend it if you think you can amortize it on a couple of generations of equipment.

I took the plunge and purchased the CM Photo yesterday. I'm not sure whether to use the CM software or Eizo's Color Navigator - the latter uses the monitor's LUT whereas the CM software uses the graphics card (I think).
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2012, 11:25:15 AM »

The ColorMunki really is a good value. It uses the same i1Prism engine that powers i1Profiler (which evolved from Monaco Profiler) and the printer profiles have the same great Relative and Absolute Colorimetric rendering. i1Profiler adds the ability to tweak the Perceptual rendering which can really help final print results if you use that intent. The Munki only works with Munki software and the device won't be supported in i1Profiler, ColorPort, RIPs or other Pro software solutions. So it's a great value with some notable limitations.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2012, 05:42:08 PM »

Thanks for that info Scott. Have you got any tips for getting the best out of it?

I've only tried the Munki software so far and the CG241 profile was quite a way off. I've yet to try Color Navigator.

Btw, Eizo say the CM Photo is compatible Color Navigator (bottom of this page http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/cn/index.html) but it seems that X-Rite's software has to be stopped first in Windows/Services (see http://support.colourconfidence.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=194&nav=0,29).

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