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i1 Display 2
« on: March 14, 2012, 11:43:12 AM »

Hi all,

I have an X-Rite i1 Display2 which produces a green cast when profiling my monitor. Can anyone confirm that this is due to faulty gels?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 03:20:44 PM »

There's a lot of potential issues with i1d2, and relatively fast degradation of filters is one of them.

But it may also be unit-to-unit inconsistency, or a matter of fact, that i1d2 doesn't really work well on widegamut CCFL, W-LED, and RGB-LED backlit displays.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 10:43:29 PM »

I have been using an i1d2 for five or six years on a CCFL back lit monitor with no degradation or problem.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 05:02:17 AM »

I have been using an i1d2 for five or six years on a CCFL back lit monitor with no degradation or problem.

Here's a cross-validation result of my old Gretagmacbeth i1d2 done on a wide gamut CCFL LCD calibrated with basICColor DISCUS. It's not even funny:

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 10:33:23 AM »

Thanks all for the replies. The i1D2 is out of warranty now so I'm thinking of taking it apart. Is there any way to change the filters?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »

Thanks all for the replies. The i1D2 is out of warranty now so I'm thinking of taking it apart. Is there any way to change the filters?

Nope.

Was the i1D2 working well on this monitor before? If so, you have a dying puck. The filter problem affected a batch of earlier i1D2 units. More recent ones are more robust. As Marcin mentioned, the i1D2 is ill-suited to measuring wide gamut screens of any sort or panels with white LED backlighting. If this describes your monitor, the green cast may simply be the result of inaccurate white point measurements. It wouldn't hurt, however, to download the i1 Diagnostics utility from X-Rite to see it it flags your puck as bad.

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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 02:02:06 PM »

Thanks for info Ethan.

No, the i1D2 has never worked properly with this monitor (a CG241W). I thought it was me doing something wrong until I read elsewhere about the issue with gels/filters. I've already tried i1 Diagnostics and it goes through white & grey screens successfully but then it stops at the black screen with 'emission test not responding' written across the top of the dialog box.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 10:50:03 PM »

Dead puck. Replace it with an i1 Display Pro or ColorMunki Display.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 08:11:34 AM »

Replace it with an i1 Display Pro or ColorMunki Display.

Have you got either of those Ellis?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 09:16:00 AM »

Have you got either of those Ellis?

I have both.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 09:58:24 AM »

I have both.

Which would you recommend?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 10:15:00 AM »

Performance wise on my 27' iMac (white LED backlight technology) and Eizo CG 222W monitor (CCFL backlight), they both do an equally good job as the colorimeter is essentially the same but the software is different and you can't use the CM Display with i1 Profiler and vice-versa. The ColorMunki Display takes longer to do the job and is suitable for most photographers.

But if you have multiple computers, if speed is a factor, or if you are working in a pre-press type environment and need to spec specific pantone values, etc.  the i1 Display Pro is the one to go with.

edit @ 4:02 PM EDST: I withdraw my recommendation of the Colormunki Display 2 if you are using an Eizo display as Lupin is. I've posted Eizo's list of recommended measurement devices and limitations in my last post in this thread. Thank you to Andrew Rodney.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 10:22:46 AM »

If you have a need to measure color reflectively, ambient light, build printer profiles, go with the ColorMunki. If your only goal is display calibration, a Colorimeter like the i1Display Pro is a better, lesser expensive way to go than a Spectrophotometer like the ColorMunki. The i1Display Pro will read darker emissive colors more accurately and is currently state of the art in terms of Colorimeters. There is even provisions for updating the filter matrices (we are waiting on X-Rite to provide a path).
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2012, 10:25:48 AM »

edit @ 4:02 PM EDST: I withdraw my recommendation of the Colormunki Display 2 if you are using an Eizo display as Lupin is. I've posted Eizo's list of recommended measurement devices and limitations in my last post in this thread. Thank you to Andrew Rodney.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 10:33:40 AM »

Performance wise on my 27' iMac (white LED backlight technology) and Eizo CG 222W monitor (CCFL backlight), they both do an equally good job as the colorimeter is essentially the same but the software is different and you can't use the CM Display with i1 Profiler and vice-versa. The ColorMunki Display takes longer to do the job and is suitable for most photographers.

But if you have multiple computers, if speed is a factor, or if you are working in a pre-press type environment and need to spec specific pantone values, etc.  the i1 Display Pro is the one to go with.

Thanks Ellis. I only have one computer and (at the moment) one monitor. The ColorMunki is cheaper (2/3 of the price of the i1 Display Pro) so I'll do some reading up on it.


Apart from speed, are there any other advantages to the i1 Display Pro? I just want to make sure the CG241 is calibrated properly before printing from NEFs.
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 10:34:50 AM »

Much as I hate hair splitting with the Digital Dog, I was referring to the ColorMunki Display, a colorimeter for display calibrating only. The ColorMunki  he references is the ColorMunki Photo, a system using a photospectrometer for do all of the tasks he describes.

Don’t waste your time with the ColorMunki Display, it is the same hardware as the Pro with crippled software.

ColorMunki (by itself) is a Spectrophotometer. X-Rite has confused things (again) with naming conventions as we now have a ColorMunki Display (colorimeter) along with a ColorMunki (Spectrophotometer).
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 10:36:22 AM »

Much as I hate hair splitting with the Digital Dog, I was referring to the ColorMunki Display, a colorimeter for display calibrating only. The ColorMunki  he references is the ColorMunki Photo, a system using a photospectrometer for do all of the tasks he describes.

Yes I realised you were referring to the CM Display version. The CM Photo version is nearly three times the price :-[

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/search/Default.aspx?q=X-Rite%20ColorMunki&cat02=2023&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=ColorMunki&utm_campaign=Brand%20+%20Generic%20HVK&cm_mmc=google%20Warehouse%20Express%20-%20Computing%20%26%20Software-_-Brand%20+%20Generic%20HVK-_-Colour%20Management%20/%20X-Rite%20ColorMunki-_-ColorMunki
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 10:39:02 AM »

Don’t waste your time with the ColorMunki Display, it is the same hardware as the Pro with crippled software. ...

What effect does the crippled software have on monitor profiling?
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Re: i1 Display 2
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 10:41:44 AM »

edit @ 4:02 PM EDST: I withdraw my recommendation of the Colormunki Display 2 if you are using an Eizo display as Lupin is. I've posted Eizo's list of recommended measurement devices and limitations in my last post in this thread. Thank you to Andrew Rodney.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 10:45:30 AM »

What effect does the crippled software have on monitor profiling?

You don’t have the full control over luminance and white point targets. There is no provisions in ColorMunki for setting contrast ratio. These options are absolutely critical if your goal is a good screen to print match. Just having a few white point and luminance settings could work, if you are real, real lucky. Calibrating a display that has a native contrast ratio of 800:1, 1000:1 and a print that is 200:1 ain’t good. You want control over contrast ratio.

See:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/why_are_my_prints_too_dark.shtml

The hardware is the same, you are paying for far superior software to control this important task and the alteration of a 5X slowdown compared to the Munki.
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