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Re: Everything that matters regarding Wine and Audiophilia
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 10:38:07 pm »

This is one of the things that's a huge problem in audio, there's not much research into the correlation between various measurements and listening perceptions.  Most in the industry have little to no idea of which measurements are important and how they relate to the things that listeners hear (the BBC and NRC did some research into this, but not too many picked up & followed it), so it's not uncommon that someone would measure a bunch of stuff and claim that it's "perfect" and beyond listener perception without knowing how much those things matter or if they even matter at all.  Which is a big part of why the industry is such a mess and populated by kooks.

The main issue with high end audio comparison is simple and obvious... yet hardly ever discussed.

1. It is impossible to listen to 2 systems simultaneously,
2. the human body does simply have an extremely poor sensual memory and is near totally unable to rate something in absolute terms... we can at best compare things. We will see below that even that we are very poor at.

We think we have the ability to look at 2 images at the same time, or at least with a short time gap that our senses can actually provide us with near factual information.

But even with images, the sad truth is that we are very poorly armed to give a reliable information based on our impressions. Example #18 of the link below should once for all terminate our dream of being any close to able to relying on our preceptions... it is one of the most shocking things I have seen in years in fact and has completely changed my views of the world.

http://listverse.com/2007/09/16/20-amazing-optical-illusions/

So going back to Audio... blind testing doesn't work because we cannot really remember...

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Re: Everything that matters regarding Wine and Audiophilia
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 10:55:45 pm »

As for why power cords & signal cables make a difference, it has to do with our noisy power grid and all the EM interference we have in the air these days, along with the crappy power supplies & grounding found in many pieces of audio gear, not to mention questionable circuit design.   Those interconnects end up working as filters to help keep noise out of the circuits so that the audio components can perform as designed.  If we had perfect power supply, grounding, shielding, and circuit design, then power cords & signal cables wouldn't make a difference.

This controversy over audio cables has been raging for almost 40 years.  It’s unlikely that we’re going to add anything here that hasn’t been said many times.  A search of the internet will easily produce results to support whichever position you hold. 

Allen, I’m sure you can cite many sources to support your assertions, but they have also been refuted many times.  For example, here is a quote from “Audio Critic”: 

The assertion “that high-priced speaker cables and interconnects sound better than standard, run-of-the-mill (say, Radio Shack) ones … is a lie that has been exposed, shamed, and refuted over and over again by every genuine authority under the sun …”
http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_26_r.pdf

I expect you and many others will disagree, but the author backs up his claim.  See “The 10 Biggest Lies in Audio” from the link above, as well as Issues No. 16 and No. 17 of “Audio Critic”.

It’s worth repeating, however, that you and others can cite contrary authority.  In the end, anyone truly interested in this topic can easily do their own research and decide for themselves who makes the better case.
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