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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2012, 10:42:19 AM »

I'm also very excited about soft proofing, and one thing that some people (me included) never gave a thought to it, and is Soft Proofing for screen or web. We simply export the JPEG and go with it, not realizing it might not look the way it should. Are you planning on taking a look at this as well ?
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2012, 10:45:15 AM »

We simply export the JPEG and go with it, not realizing it might not look the way it should.

The sRGB JPEG should look shockingly close and if not, you’re probably not viewing the JPEG in a color managed browser or app.

Soft proofing to an output device (printer), yes, there can be a significant visual difference.
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2012, 12:13:45 PM »

On this image, LR4 soft proofing shows significant gamut clipping on the orange part of the cloud. I cannot see it on my screen, since is also out of gamut for screen.

Doesn't this mean that Lightroom's JPEG export pluggin will try to guess the colors there, but won't be what the sensor recorded ?


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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2012, 12:26:54 PM »

On this image, LR4 soft proofing shows significant gamut clipping on the orange part of the cloud. I cannot see it on my screen, since is also out of gamut for screen.
Doesn't this mean that Lightroom's JPEG export pluggin will try to guess the colors there, but won't be what the sensor recorded ?

You see an overlay of OOG colors, fine. You can’t see the colors as they are out of gamut for your display which kind of answers your question. If you convert to sRGB, a gamut that is presumably closer to the gamut of your display, I suspect the ‘before and after’ will look nearly identical. That begs the question, what are you supposed to do with the OOG overlay? You are going to clip those colors converting to sRGB, there is no way around that. You can’t see the OOG colors on your display. You can only see the overlay. That is somewhat educational, what do you now do?

This video might help (at least in providing what not to do with OOG colors on a manual basis) http://digitaldog.net/files/LR4_softproof2.mov
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2012, 02:10:51 PM »

Got it. Thanks for the video. Will give a look at it tonight at home.

One question, if you are seeing an overlay for the OOG colors, can't you tweak the saturation until the overlay vanishes? Maybe with local brushes or something like that. I mean, won't that be better to get a smoother gradation, or the clipping will get better results than me?

You see an overlay of OOG colors, fine. You can’t see the colors as they are out of gamut for your display which kind of answers your question. If you convert to sRGB, a gamut that is presumably closer to the gamut of your display, I suspect the ‘before and after’ will look nearly identical. That begs the question, what are you supposed to do with the OOG overlay? You are going to clip those colors converting to sRGB, there is no way around that. You can’t see the OOG colors on your display. You can only see the overlay. That is somewhat educational, what do you now do?

This video might help (at least in providing what not to do with OOG colors on a manual basis) http://digitaldog.net/files/LR4_softproof2.mov
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2012, 02:22:16 PM »

One question, if you are seeing an overlay for the OOG colors, can't you tweak the saturation until the overlay vanishes?

Yes and as the video illustrates, don’t.
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2012, 02:29:14 PM »

Got it Andrew. Million thanks!!!

Looking forward for more videos. Is there a part one of your LR Soft Proof video ?

**Never mind: Found it on your website  ;D

Yes and as the video illustrates, don’t.
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2012, 07:59:39 PM »

All features in the shipping version of LR4 are covered.

Michael



Michael,

This is good news but it is kind of concerning to me.  How could Adobe honestly/sincerely address the numerous suggestions and deliver a final version in such a short time?  Were we a clearing house for major bugs but not feature requests or tweaks as implied?

Will look forward to the videos. Thank you all for your efforts to move us forward.

Bob
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2012, 08:46:28 PM »

The user interface for a product has to be frozen quite a while before bug fixes are completed. Otherwise the process would never end.

Feature requests and other UI changes are made in dot releases during the life of the product.

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2012, 11:04:03 PM »

Guess I am bit late here. Not sure if my suggestion would fit into this or not, but here it goes.

I use LR to the big stuff before going into photoshop and I print from photoshop mainly because I do selective sharpening for output. If possible, how I can do selective sharpening in LR and print?

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2012, 11:07:44 PM »

I use LR to the big stuff before going into photoshop and I print from photoshop mainly because I do selective sharpening for output. If possible, how I can do selective sharpening in LR and print?

Exactly what local sharpening? You can use the Adjustment Brush in LR to locally increase/decrease or blur in LR 3/4. And you really, really don't want to be printing from Photoshop, it's old tech...if you MUST go into Photoshop for something, at least save the image back to LR for printing...so much better for a lot of reasons.
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2012, 06:26:21 AM »

Exactly what local sharpening? You can use the Adjustment Brush in LR to locally increase/decrease or blur in LR 3/4. And you really, really don't want to be printing from Photoshop, it's old tech...if you MUST go into Photoshop for something, at least save the image back to LR for printing...so much better for a lot of reasons.

Hi Jeff.

I selectively sharpen the subject of the image (parts that are in focus). I mainly photograph wildlife and do macro work. I am trying to ween myself off of using PS to print as I am aware of what you stated here and in the tutorials my Michael and yourself. Also still trying to rework my workflow.

Hi, my name is Andrew and I still print from Photoshop.

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2012, 12:25:28 PM »

"I selectively sharpen the subject of the image (parts that are in focus)"

I use the creative sharpeners and masks in Photokit Sharpener to do that. I used to do what you are currently doing but got tired of having to redo it for different size and resolution prints. Now I am back to using Output sharpening as a global tool.
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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2012, 12:55:04 AM »

i've been using capture one pro for a few years and like it very much but i must say, i find lr4 interesting. i am a complete neophyte when it comes to lightroom but i downloaded the beta and have been playing with it a bit - especially the soft proofing capability. i would be very interested if the lula video tutorial on lr4 would illustrate how i can go from capture one pro (after doing lcc and white balance) to lightroom 4 to do soft proofing and then exporting the soft proofed file to disk (while preserving the soft proofing information) in order to print in through imageprint 9.

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2012, 11:01:45 AM »

Dare I say it. A lot less waffle and a lot more nitty-gritty please.

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2012, 04:16:36 AM »

Dare I say it. A lot less waffle and a lot more nitty-gritty please.

Jeff

Ok... I know there are many who purchase and watch these tutorials just for their educational value (which is excellent BTW).

However, I appreciate a good dose of waffle with maple syrup - it makes the whole thing far more palatable and entertaining.  ;D

Tutorials on image processing are 'dry enough' - I for one appreciate the humour and banter a couple of grey beards (I use that term with affection) bring to the table.  ;D

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2012, 04:27:10 PM »

There is something missing from LuLa videos ..........
A warning!
"WARNING: These Videos maybe addictive".
Everytime one is released I feel complelled to add it to my growing collection!
Think it something to do with the shirts  ;D

If another LuLa Video Journal is released it also needs a warning on the cover:
"WARNING: this video maybe detrimental to your wealth/kids inheritance"
After watching the Journals with the trips to Antarctica I was hooked.
Last Christmas I did my second trip in 14 months.  ;D

Thanks Guys, Keep up the good work .

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Re: LuLa LR 4 Video Tutorial
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2012, 11:33:26 PM »

Ok... I know there are many who purchase and watch these tutorials just for their educational value (which is excellent BTW).

However, I appreciate a good dose of waffle with maple syrup - it makes the whole thing far more palatable and entertaining.  ;D

Tutorials on image processing are 'dry enough' - I for one appreciate the humour and banter a couple of grey beards (I use that term with affection) bring to the table.  ;D
Another vote for more doses of waffle from me (especially with maple syrup).

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« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2012, 11:43:42 PM »

Another vote for more doses of waffle from me (especially with maple syrup).

Rest assured, there's plenty of waffling (called "digressions" by Mike) in the LR4 tuts...but those of you expecting massive shirt changes by me will be disappointed...I went "basic black" which is my standard daytime look (it was in honor of the LR UI don't ya know). However, I will say that our wrap had Tequila involved...(the good stuff, not the rut gut crap usually found in America)...odds are you'll learn something even if you THINK you know LR
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« Reply #79 on: February 24, 2012, 08:17:42 AM »

Rest assured, there's plenty of waffling (called "digressions" by Mike) in the LR4 tuts...but those of you expecting massive shirt changes by me will be disappointed...I went "basic black" which is my standard daytime look (it was in honor of the LR UI don't ya know). However, I will say that our wrap had Tequila involved...(the good stuff, not the rut gut crap usually found in America)...odds are you'll learn something even if you THINK you know LR
But isn't there a button that lets us change your "basic black" to middle gray or white? Or better yet, a slider, labeled "shirt", with numbers from 0 to 100 (default = 0).  ;)
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