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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2012, 08:49:49 AM »

They also know how to make medium format SLR and range finder cameras and medium and large format lenses.

... And skin-care cosmetics!

Wait a sec! Now that's (i.e., all of the abave) perhaps the reason they survived the demise of film, and Kodak didn't?

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2012, 11:02:02 AM »

From photos of the body, it looks like the shutter release might have a socket for a cable release, but I can't tell for sure. Anybody know? I do street work with the camera hanging at chest level with cable attached. I was considering the Leica for this reason, but i'm happy to spend less if I can get that capability.

Merrill

Hi - yes, it can use a cable, same as the X100.
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2012, 07:48:59 AM »

You've tried reducing the size of the AF area?  The x100 is the only camera I know of which offers this feature.   You can see the size changing (to very small) in the EVF, but you'll need to visualize the change in the optical..

Yes, the focus area on it's smallest size in EVF would be tolerable but it seems to have no effect on the OVF size and for some reason known only to fuji, AFS is smaller than manual. This means I have to use a (not great) EVF if I want critical focus which, given the fanfare about the OVF, isn't really how I want or expected to use the camera.
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2012, 01:33:03 PM »

Yes, the focus area on it's smallest size in EVF would be tolerable but it seems to have no effect on the OVF size and for some reason known only to fuji, AFS is smaller than manual. This means I have to use a (not great) EVF if I want critical focus which, given the fanfare about the OVF, isn't really how I want or expected to use the camera.

The smallest size in EVF is a great deal smaller than any of my DSLR's so I consider it a nice option to have.

I might be imaging this.. but I think when you adjust the size of the EVF AF points it also changes the 'effective' size in the OVF as well, but not the displayed size. The EVF has the capability of changing the displayed AF point size while the OVF doesn't.  So I center the OVF AF point and it seems to me it limits the size to what you see in the EVF.   

Anyone know about this for sure?
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2012, 01:24:22 PM »

Some images from a guy who managed to get hold of A X1 Pro.

http://brandonremler.blogspot.com/2012/02/fujifilm-x-pro1-first-day-stroll.html

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »

Some images from a guy who managed to get hold of A X1 Pro.

http://brandonremler.blogspot.com/2012/02/fujifilm-x-pro1-first-day-stroll.html



Well, those photos looked pretty horrible, but there's no point in judging small compressed jpegs on a wewbsite. Until we have RAW files from the actual production camera and supported by ACR or other major converters these things are pointless.

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2012, 07:08:55 PM »

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2012, 11:11:27 PM »

For whatever they are worth this website (Russian) has the raw files. Now got to wait for ACR or LR to become capable of processing them.

http://prophotos.ru/reviews/14697-fujifilm-x-pro1-obzor-kamery
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2012, 01:50:22 AM »

Or don't. Silkypix and RAWTherapee are already able to decode them.
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2012, 02:52:35 AM »

RT is able to decode but none of it's demosaicing algorithms is able to process files correctly and you will see funny pattern in 1:1 magnification.
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2012, 11:51:13 PM »

I hope the sensor technology will be different from that of the X10... because this doesn't sound very good...

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3340468423/fujifilm-x10-orbs-investigated-does-the-firmware-fix-work

Cheers,
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2012, 06:39:20 AM »

I hope the sensor technology will be different from that of the X10... because this doesn't sound very good...

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3340468423/fujifilm-x10-orbs-investigated-does-the-firmware-fix-work

Looks like Fuji is indeed set to out-do Leica, even when it comes to epic technical failures at launch.

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2012, 10:36:16 AM »

I hope the sensor technology will be different from that of the X10... because this doesn't sound very good...

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3340468423/fujifilm-x10-orbs-investigated-does-the-firmware-fix-work
The technology is different, but both are experiments with CMOS (new to Fujifilm, after it efforts with SuperCDD) and with non-standard CFA's, requiring new demosaicing algorithms for one thing. The X10 also has a diagonal arrangement of the photosites, whereas the X1 has a standard square grid layout, so the X1 might well avoid some of the X10's problems.

For now, Fujifilm has my gratitude for its ongoing wilingness to experiment with sensor technologies, but as with the Panasonic collapsing 14-42x lens, I am going to wait and see if they can sort out the bugs, which might mean waiting for the next hardware updates.

P. S. considering Fujifim's experiments, and the sensor and focusing and VF design innitiatives seen in recent years from Sony, Nikon, Panasonic and Olympus, it seems that Canon has become the most conservative, incremental refiner of its technologies. That could be a safe position for a market leader (see what works and use your great resources to copy quickly), or a dangerous miss (c. f. RIM and its Blackberry phones.)
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2012, 05:28:47 PM »

For now, Fujifilm has my gratitude for its ongoing wilingness to experiment with sensor technologies, but as with the Panasonic collapsing 14-42x lens, I am going to wait and see if they can sort out the bugs, which might mean waiting for the next hardware updates.

I am in a similar position.

As an engineer, I have a lot of respect for their endeavors.

As a photographer I'll wait until they come up with something that works. The looks of the camera are nice but such issues are simply a no go, it feels like going back to the Kodak 14n days... ;D

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Bernard
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #74 on: February 29, 2012, 05:55:35 AM »

I played aroud for a short while and was not that impressed.  First the camera is trying hard to be like a Leica - which is not necessary, really.  To mimicking Leica, the camera is oversized for what it can be, I think it would be a better camera if it is smaller, but bigger than X-100. The technology will allow the X Pro-1 be smaller, but I think Fuji follow something wrong. HIstorically Leica M arrived at the size through slow development, there are pre M3 Leica that are smaller, and M3 and the following models arrived at a size due to many factors, many were mechnical factors, so Leica was all along trying to be simple, efficient, and elegant, and then they became Leica. 
What Fuji did was Leica the Konica, they try to be Leica, rather than staying simple, elegant and efficient (in use).  I think Japanese maker needs to be something of their own DNA.
Image quality?  Really I am not that concern, not because I don't care the quality but I think into 2012 all the cameras of this level will perform rather well, I am more interested at NEX7 or a bigger camera like D800 or coming 5DX or even bigger pro models because I am already accustomed to them and have range of lenses available.
Final note, I think the exterior of Pro-1 was rather emptied not that I don't like simple but Fuji seemed to have hard time getting all the function onto the camera in a more balanced way, the camera looks missing something.  The viewfinder is a mess to me, I am rather confused on how it work and how to indeed focused, may be it is just me, but this is considered the 3rd model from Fuji on this X series, it is not a great camera to use for me. 

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #75 on: February 29, 2012, 06:00:44 AM »

I am a X100 owner, and I took a quick look at the X-Pro 1.

Personally I like it, it feels really well in your hand, the buttons are better than X100, there is finally a quick menu, no more stupid RAW button and the AF selector is way better than the toggle switch.

My only horrible downer was the worse viewfinder, honestly, darker and smaller, compared to the X100.

The massive wow moment came with almost instant on, or rather instant on, I didn't feel any lag. That is on from off. I wasn't able to try on from sleep, but if on from power off is so fast, on from sleep will be as fast.

And to anyone: Stop comparing ANY camera that only looks like a rangefinder to a Leica. Nobody takes your precious Leicas away, nobody.

http://clemens-and.nihongonauts.com/post/18377857955/a-second-with-the-x-pro-1

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #76 on: February 29, 2012, 05:59:08 PM »

EVF or optical?

In general, the EVF is probably the same, but I never use it, the OVF just looks smaller and darker. And I have no idea why.

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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2012, 01:30:22 PM »

I have had this for a week now, and like it. At the moment the lenses are 18 and 35mm, 60mm macro coming.

- Takes some practice to focus with the optical viewfinder: missed focus spots until you learn to "lead" depending on the approximated focus distance.
- Not a sports camera, it has different aesthetic from a (D)SLR. Artsy feel. Has given me some enthusiasm back after 34 years as a working pro.
- SHARP and no moire. I have made two quick comparisons against 5DII with 35 mm on X-Pro1 and 50mm f:1.4 and 50mm macro on Canon: 1) resolution is equal even if the other is APS-C at 16 MPix and the other is FF 21 Mpix. I tested only 200 ISO, but Canon is noisier. 2) 35mm f:1.4 Fujinon is amazingly and perfectly sharp even at f:1.4 and no color fringing. I had to check the EXIF to see which shot was f:1.4 and which f:8. Canon 50 mm 1.4 was just awful full open, total s***, compared.

I never had a "real" Leica, only (Minolta) CL, Contax G1 & G2 and various Bessas. Now I have no Leica envy anymore.
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Re: Fuji X pro1
« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2012, 02:00:02 PM »

I'm really tempted but a couple of things are putting me off...

1. Reports of the image freezing as focus is acquired, that's something my Panasonic MFT doesn't do. I'll be using the EVF mostly I'd have thought.
2. Lens chatter.

I really want this camera to get an almost universal clean bill of health as the chances of my trying before buying are pretty remote. There's one local camera shop and I doubt they'll have stock anytime in the short to medium term.

I've bought my last three cameras based on internet reviews and online feedback from users but at the moment although people are saying nice things about the image quality I'm not confident to take the plunge on 2k+ of kit.
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