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« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2011, 07:27:16 pm »

I had to laugh when i read bcooters post about Hollywood as i drove past major Hollywood production down my street in Portland.
they are shooting a network series here called grimm . Guys running  around with Alexias all over the place.
  The rentals houses here are buying Epics and Alexias as fast as they can get them.
Do they shoot anything in Hollywood anymore?


Very good point...

Low light capability = don't really need to be in a sunshine state... Welcome to Hollyworld... IE any where you likes...

Another strong point of the new Canon...
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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2011, 08:21:03 pm »

Well i thinks this is gonna do it for me : http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66048-DSMC-Leica-M-Mount

I cant believe what a good investment buying Leica has been.  I cant wait to shoot a my noctilux on a scarlet.
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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2011, 09:40:29 pm »

I thought the canon annoucement was underwhelming . No 60 fps at 1080 ? No autofocus ? 
is different as
Why can Red make the scarlet auto focus with canon EF lenses, but canon can't ?? I don't get it.   
It's not about whether Canon can or cannot add autofocus, it's that the people who will be using this item do not require it. The Scarlet is different as it's also a stills capable camera so AF will be used then, the Canon is a cine only camera, so will be focused manually just like other cine cameras.
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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2011, 12:36:02 am »

red is not even on canons horizon in terms of size/sales.....yes, red has lit a fire under everybody's a.. but the alexa has shown what people really want....

i ordered the scarlet in the first hours after the announcement....the c300 is the totally wrong camera for me but now that the dust has settled i am not so sure anymore who has won or who will win...or if there is even a competition here....these are two completely different cameras....but the c300 does what it is supposed to do very well (it seems...)...whereas the scarlet...not so sure anymore....
12fps at 5k? what is that supposed to be? i thought the whole point of shooting red is to shoot raw and pick a frame later....well 12 fps is not motion and as a still camera it provides a strange format 14mpix file from a smallish sensor....
leaves 4k....shoots a solid 24fs (even 30) in 4k, plenty of frames to choose from....but these files are now a very wide 9mpix file....so if i need a vertical i end up with roughly a 5x7 at 300dpi....probably still enough for print but not ideal at all...corbis won't accept that file...
i really want 60fps...which brings me to 2k....at this point the raw frames are way to small and the sensor at this point uses an area smaller then 16mm film....
so in reality the scarlet is a solid 4k film camera....no fancy slo-mo, hdrx cuts the frame rate in half again, they might get it to work for 4k but it is doubtful....
the camera shoots a solid 4k at 30fps...
all the advantages of the red are with 5k at 120fps which is what the epic has but it is quite a bit more and 5k 120fps need a little more processing power and storage.....
so until i can justify the epic, i will look elsewhere....
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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2011, 04:11:36 am »

Paul,

I think that in terms of convergence we're not really there yet and compromises in one way or another are still the reality.

12 fps is cool for certain effect, and vastly use in animation. But nobody is bringing to date a full 24 fps image sequence with still resolution using the full sensor area (to what would be a "real" still).
Even if those where motion jpeg it would be really powerfull.

I'm a strong supporter of image sequence workflows. The storage is huge but hey, for most of us, coming from photography, we're not going to do 1,5 hours movie but short clips campaigns.
15 sec, 2 minutes, whatever. So even if we always need a lot of footage just for a min delivery, storage is cheaper and cheaper.

It's the end of 444 or 422. In fact it's very similar to film. Each frame is a high-def still. Once you convert any video file into an image sequence of your choice, there is no more degradation.
(well depending on the file type) Nuke artists always work in IS.

You work in floating point in AE or Nuke kind of units, in linear color space in the background, and it is really stable. In fact, IS consumes a lot of space but not so much CPU. I could verify that a 4K IS is actually faster than a native AVCHD edition because the computer doesn't have to do heavy calculations. It's brutal, big Ks, but a 3- 4 years old computer can handle that perfectly.

You can ingest the footage in Photoshop, apply a complex script and it will work like a breeze, never crash, just gently apply to each frame. It takes a bit of time but again, consumes very little and it's perfectly possible to work on another project while you have PS doing its task.

Also, everything reads it and nobody will be on bondage with new fancy codecs or formats released.

It reminds me of the russian planes industry. Big, heavy, hugly and solid, but it bloody works under every conditions and with whatever.

Then, if sharpness is your concern (I mean the ilusion of), a downsampled big Ks file to full hd looks always more defined, more precise. You can see that perfectly doing timelapse stuff.

But anyway, as we're not there yet this is pointless. Back to your post,




I don't think that the whole point to shoot Red is to shoot raw and extract stills later. I do think that the all point of Red is mainly to shoot Raw, so extremely maleable, and the resolution allows cropping, and the Epic frame-rate as you pointed.

Then, the compromises you have to think about when it comes to what still output will be delivered according to the frame rate etc...is to take into consideration and it's not perfect. But on the right path.

If you have never worked with Red files before, and you'll do it when receive the Scarlet, beleive me, you're going to love it. Independently of the still limitations.

And I doubt you'll want to be back on a non-raw workflow because it's addictive.


Raw video is IMO the standard to reach.




Now...this hacked gh2...(will create a thread soon)




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« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2011, 05:32:06 am »

fred, although in general you are right that the times of endless budgets are over, there still exists clients who are willed to pay a lot for getting the best they can get.

and the situation in spain isnt as it is in greece, but also not as in rest of europe or in us.i live with my famliy in the south of spain ( my wife is spanish ) meanwhile  my office is in germany and i can tell you the situation in spain's situation  is reminding me more and more like in the third world ( as was the behavor in the last 15 years  to throw out money for incredible crazy things as/ and to build 2 million houses too much which are all empty now, with a very corrupt and also very ineffective government, fiscal authorities. it  
was a bonanza as i havent seen it nowhere and which reminds to brazil in the 70s. the price therefor will have to be paid and thats what you describe. we in andalucia have over 60% unemployd young people between 17 and 25 years old, search a develloped country with similar numbers, even greece is far better.
thats not europe, and hopefully as well not the future of europe. situation in germany or in france and in many other countries is quite different, so is the economy. lets hope that the south european disaster and the unability of the north to manage it adequately will not lead allover to similar results than i see in spain, but i doubt that this will happen.


Rainer,

the situation is much, much worse in Spain than you think.

The banking system is bankrupt. Half of that system were Cajas, formerly small banks which were concentrated and in the hands of politicians. It is impossible for Spain to pay for that huge hole. Impossible.

The public sector is a nightmare. The "federal" state, the central government, accounts for only 1/3 of the total public expenditures, whereas 2/3 are in hands of local governments and regional governments. In Germany there are 4000 local governments, in Spain more than 8000. In Germany you have Länder, in Spain 17 Comunidades Autónomas, but now, look at this: Cataluña, a small region in the mediterranean north, is making heavy cuts in Health expenditures... but they have 6 public regional television channels!!! All the Comunidades Autónomas have a parliament and a government, and one or two public TV channels with huge red numbers!!!! Many large cities also have local public television channels. In Seville, for instance, "Giralda TV" needed 10 million euros for avoiding bankruptcy, and the new mayor, from the conservative party, paid. The funny thing is that the local government in Seville is bankrupt too.

País Vasco and Navarra are two of the richest regions in Spain, but they don't make any tax contribution to the nation. They have a special tax system (called "concierto económico"): they collect all the taxes and then, in a political negotiation process, they transfer an amount to the central government accounting for the unpaid "services" the central government gives to those regions (defense, etc). In practice, that amount is intentionally underestimated (the regional parties support the party in power, in Madrid, in exchange for more privileges). The nation transfers income to those rich regions!!! Cataluña is looking for the same. Now they are pressing for a "concierto", but, for the moment, they have a new "estatuto" (the law that regulates the Comunidad Autónoma) with unbelievable privileges. For instance, that law establishes how much the central government has to invest in that region (a particular % of the total investments).

Central government, Comunidades Autónomas, local governments... and "diputaciones"... there are more than 40 diputaciones in Spain. These institutions cover the "provinces", an arbitrary administrative division from the XIX century that is preserved. On top of this there are another arbitrary administrative division from the XX century (the Comunidades Autónomas). All the associated institutions are preserved, of course. Thousands of politicians, civil servants, etc.

The Trade Unions? If I tell you about the trade unions in Spain you will not believe me. The "official" trade unions (UGT, a branch of the PSOE, the socialist party; and CCOO, a "communist" trade union) are two almost official "institutions" and are heavily funded with public money without control. Just a point: in Spain we have "liberados". A "liberado" is a worker in a private company or public administration who is relieved from his work tasks and goes to work for the trade union. If your (private) company has, for instance, 1000 workers, you have to have, say, 10 "liberados". They go to work for your workers (sic) in the trade unions, but YOU pay the salaries. The law establishes the number, but politicians have increased that number in the public administrations. There are thousands and thousands of "liberados" in the public administrations. None knows the exact number. These liberados are specially dangerous when the trade unions call for a strike. Just like in Argentina (not Brazil)...

Trade Unions fix salaries at an aggregate level (the whole country, and then by sectors) by negotiating with the CEOE, and artificial organization that represents the employers. There are more than 30 different types of labor contracts! The unemployment rate is 20% (5 million people, most of them young people and people expelled from the construction sector, now collapsed), but those numbers are manipulated. I think the real number is even higher. Temporal contracts, with no social protection or with low social protection accounts for more than 30% of the total workers... The lay off compensation for "permanent" workers is so high that many small companies go bankrupt by trying to reduce somewhat the total number of workers when the economy goes mad... Etc.

The central government reduced public servants' salaries by 5% last year, but the total number of workers of the public administration is still growing!!! The central government is lying about the public deficit, just like Greece did. For instance, and this is only an example, the public administration takes 9, 12 or more months to pay any bill to companies who sell goods or services to them. This is some kind of "hidden" debt. It is just like the government forcing you to buy bonds at 0% for a year.

Do you know how many universities we have in Spain? 78. Yes, you have read well: seventy eight, 78 (public and private). Many of them bankrupt, of course. All of them full of public servants. Thousands. I work in a public university in Madrid and the corruption and inefficiencies are just unbelievable. And it was the same craziness for the last 25 years. No changes, no real reforms. Only 4 or 5 public universities have a good level, the remaining ones are from mediocre to pure garbage.

I have tried to show you, by means of a few examples, the kind of craziness, of absolute chaos and decomposition, that Spain is. Spain is much, much worse than Greece or Italy, because of the political problem. Berlusconi or Papandreu are great political leaders if compared with Mr. Zapatero. The situation is now so bad that I cannot see how Spain can be saved from the disaster, even if the government changes.

I understand Angela Merkel. The problem in Europe is what to do with these zombie countries who never will change. The Euro was a huge mistake. Now the program of reforms have to be imposed by the Union, and narrowly supervised under the menace of expulsion from the Euro.

http://www.economist.com/node/21536651

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« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2011, 06:20:52 am »

This is a great, detailled and truth explaination of the spanish situation.

But Berlusconi being a great political leader ?...I'm sorry, I can't follow you on that, all I see is a mafia padrino in a politician uniform. He has no voice nor prestige in Europe.

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« Reply #67 on: November 06, 2011, 06:34:27 am »

This is a great, detailled and truth explaination of the spanish situation.

But Berlusconi being a great political leader ?...I'm sorry, I can't follow you on that, all I see is a mafia padrino in a politician uniform. He has no voice nor prestige in Europe.



... if compared with Zapatero.

Who is not a great political leader compared to him?

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« Reply #68 on: November 06, 2011, 08:13:28 am »

nemo i agree to 100%. since years i waited in spain for the end and the bill for the crazy politics and investments there and we are getting closer to it. i just hope that europe will not split in parts again. it would be a nightmare.
but greece italy and spain are not directly comparable, there is no better or worse one because each has its own deep and heavy deficits, which result in all three cases an  economic nightmare.
in spain, portugal and greece also the short democratic tradition is a risc that not any politician wants to see. if i see the guardia civil drug and ETA street controls on the roads ( we live close to the portuguese border and drive in such control 1 or 2 times min. each week ) i get fear from this enpurmous forced and armed "police" troops. i do not remember that i was anywhere in the world ever  in more armed police controls, except in war regions.
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« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2011, 08:31:42 am »

nemo i agree to 100%. since years i waited in spain for the end and the bill for the crazy politics and investments there and we are getting closer to it. i just hope that europe will not split in parts again. it would be a nightmare.
but greece italy and spain are not directly comparable, there is no better or worse one because each has its own deep and heavy deficits, which result in all three cases an  economic nightmare.
in spain, portugal and greece also the short democratic tradition is a risc that not any politician wants to see. if i see the guardia civil drug and ETA street controls on the roads ( we live close to the portuguese border and drive in such control 1 or 2 times min. each week ) i get fear from this enpurmous forced and armed "police" troops. i do not remember that i was anywhere in the world ever  in more armed police controls, except in war regions.

We should have called this thread: Spain strikes back. Or ZP strikes back! ::)  

I know that the guardia civil, wich is a military corps, impressed. But man, I'm french and the Gendarmerie, wich is also a military corps, is not bad either...then the CRS (security company of the republic) are la crème de la crème. Have you ever been stopped by a CRS motorcycle patrol on a french motorway? Beleive me, it's not a funny experience. (ok, I was riding the bike at 200...)
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« Reply #70 on: November 06, 2011, 08:56:24 am »

At least there we have a lot of new and funded customers for new Video Equipment:
Police, Army and security forces of different kind.............
This was also a kind of twofaced experience last year on the Canon World Expo in Shanghai, when they showed the "Wonder Cam"
doing a face recognition on the entrance and then with one shot of the wondercam had a nearly 100% recognition of the complete audience
sitting and watching the demo.............frightening !!!

So now you know why there needs to be even more resolution in Imaging/video......... :o

Greetings from Munich
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« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2011, 09:32:08 am »

In an interview Canon mentioned the sensor section on the new C 300 Camera being more powerful than their video processing in camera. As we know for end users this may not be an issue since they will view on formats even more compressed and lower than 422 anyway. It also saves space meaning more shooting per card, less storage, easier archive etc.

One of those benefits for the fundamental image before compression has been mentioned on another review site:

''Data is clocked off the sensor at 120 frames per second, reducing rolling shutter, more commonly known as jello effect''

So it is 4K at 120 Frames per second turned into 2K at 24 Frames per second with full colour no loss, turned into 422 with low loss of colour but big space saving on data flow and still good for colour key work. Without the need for demosaicing in that signal flow, the lack of image errors at the edge gives enhanced colour key too... Not to shabby for real world editing and end user viewing...
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« Reply #72 on: November 06, 2011, 02:57:35 pm »

red is not even on canons horizon in terms of size/sales.....yes, red has lit a fire under everybody's a.. .........snip

Paul,

Unless you want to drop 60k on a Epic (with a bag of little parts) look at the Scarlet as almost a gift, because in the world on non plastic, 200 button motion cameras, this thing is the price of  the tax on a Alexa and a professional piece of kit.

If you shoot advertising,  catalog, editorial, stills of any kind this gives you a pretty small and easy form factor to shoot motion, let's you use the lenses you probably already own and even if you never shoot the 12 fps 5k, you still can get 4k motion you can grade, mess with, move around and pull decent stills from.

14 thousand? . . . even Canon can't get there in 4:4:4 for that.

Or you can spend less, drop 3 to 4 thousand on a Sony af100 but it's gonna look like video not cinema film and I can't tell you why but I just know it does, because we've been grading 90% red files next to 10% AF100 files and I can tell an af100 file from across the room because the colors cross and cast  so heavily.  We cannot excatly match red and sony footage ever, without keying and masking and then it's not exact. 

For production in the next few weeks I'd give anything if we had the Scarlet on set for jib and slider shots.

Anyway, the good news is there is another option on the table, the bad news is it's not exactly what your looking for at the price point you want to see.

Actually, if you can deal with the few added pounds, look for a RED One MX.   It's 16x9 and goes 4096 across, and with small nikon mount Ziess lenses, only weighs a few pounds more than the Epic and when you crop an Epic down to 16x9 your not much more than 4k anyway (for stills or motion).

Just a thought.

BC
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« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2011, 03:20:45 pm »

I went to Paramount to see the demo.

A couple observations:

This camera has more than enough detail for most any cinema screen. Except for a very few applications in cinema, it is not a concern.

It seems to shoot very good images in very low light which is a big advantage sometimes.

Shooting RAW is not always desired, even on a multi million dollar project. There is a very big advantage to being able to view a live image that's a good approximation of the final project, and the Red cameras don't do this yet. Sorry to say, the Canon camera will require a LUT box on output to do this when shooting in LOG mode, but this is not a real option on the Red (note: my experience is with the Red one MX).

From my experience, Red camera images can look wonderful, but I rarely feel like they look like the live scene did. I'm not sure why this is, but it is my observation.

So don't count out this camera quite yet. I can see how some may prefer this camera and workflow to the Red though I don't think any of these cameras are designed for the masses. They really are professional cinema cameras and are certainly capable of giving 35mm film competition at any theater.
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« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2011, 04:12:05 pm »

I went to Paramount to see the demo.

A couple observations:

This camera has more than enough detail for most any cinema screen. Except for a very few applications in cinema, it is not a concern.

It seems to shoot very good images in very low light which is a big advantage sometimes.

Shooting RAW is not always desired, even on a multi million dollar project. There is a very big advantage to being able to view a live image that's a good approximation of the final project, and the Red cameras don't do this yet. Sorry to say, the Canon camera will require a LUT box on output to do this when shooting in LOG mode, but this is not a real option on the Red (note: my experience is with the Red one MX).

From my experience, Red camera images can look wonderful, but I rarely feel like they look like the live scene did. I'm not sure why this is, but it is my observation.

So don't count out this camera quite yet. I can see how some may prefer this camera and workflow to the Red though I don't think any of these cameras are designed for the masses. They really are professional cinema cameras and are certainly capable of giving 35mm film competition at any theater.

Do we have details about the Canon's LOG mode? Is it the same as the Sony F3?
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« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2011, 04:51:23 pm »

Do we have details about the Canon's LOG mode? Is it the same as the Sony F3?

''Canon Log Gamma

The C300 and C300 PL allow users to adjust image quality to match that of professional camcorders and EOS DSLR cameras, and offer Canon Log Gamma, enabling neutral image quality with subdued contrast and sharpness for a wider dynamic range and maximum freedom in post-production editing and processing.

Canon Log Gamma has been designed with post-processing in mind and when it is selected users can preview on the monitor how Custom Pictures will look once applied. Canon Log Gamma also allows for seamless conversion to the industry-standard 10-bit Cineon format for colour grading, whilst Apple and AVID plug-ins are provided for efficient importing of recorded files into non-linear editing software. ''
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« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2011, 05:18:17 pm »

Sorry to go a little of topic, though this thread has covered a lot of territory.

I rarely get into these discussions on an open forum, for a lot of reasons, but with all due respect for everyone that posts here, I think as artists, content providers, photographers, directors, whatever the term is today and all artistic crew short ourselves as where we are in the food chain of commerce.

Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing of importance gets sold without marketing or entertainment content.  Could be web based, a print ad, a film, a door hanger from Dominos Pizza,  but nothing gets sold without some visual that makes a viewer stop and look, if only for a few seconds.

These forums light up when a new camera is announced and the people that use the cameras for a living rarely get juiced unless the camera gives them something they could not do before, either for budget, style or technique.

I hope the new Canon rocks (wish it had a few more things) and I do hope it finds a place, though in reality it doesn't matter to me because I don't own Canon stock. 

I also think RED is on to something and rocks more for the working pro moving to motion and Arri is a huge force in motion pictures so they're not going away.

Regardless, all we hear in the media is mostly about tech, very little about content and let's be honest without someone making an image, none of these machines are worth a plug nickel.

It's funny, when we start production, I can negotiate everything down, from studio space, set construction, locations, (except government run), all crew if I so desire, but when it comes to buying equipment, the numbers just don't move very much. 

Sure you can save a few bucks on drives, computers, software, cameras, lenses, but if your buying new you'll never shave the amount off of any hardware purchase that you can off of human capital.

Kind of strange, because in reality, I can shoot with a great talent and artistic crew with Fred's GH2 and get a better response, than I can shooting with marginal people and cut rate talent even if I had an unlimited budget on equipment.

Sometimes I think the tail wags the dog in this business and most of the time I think it's all our fault.   

Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, but for anyone out there scratching through their bank account to buy a a $20,000 plastic camera that is going to go obsolete in 18 months, just remember it's not always what we do behind the lens, but in front of it that's important and really worth the price of admission.

Also not to go off topic, but a few years ago I was driving through Brazil with an executive of a large corporation.   After about an hour I said "wow you guys sure throw away a lot of resource".  He said yea, Brazil is full of natural resources and we're just beginning to tap the potential.

I said, "no, I don't mean, rivers, or oil, I'm talking about those millions of people I see lining the road looking for work.  If you can find a way to get those people working and earning, this place would have emerald streets."

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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2011, 05:35:50 pm »


Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, but for anyone out there scratching through their bank account to buy a a $20,000 plastic camera that is going to go obsolete in 18 months, just remember it's not always what we do behind the lens, but in front of it that's important and really worth the price of admission.



The large black cylinder behind the lens mount is Metal in appearance. Could well be metal...

Canon often do hybrids of material ''engineering grade plastics, stainless steel, ali, cast Mag etc''

Pro tip, on a cold day do not lick your Scarlet. Pics I have seen suggest it has a pressed steel plate case



 ;D



Edit.... well well well, this link confirms lots of metal in the C 300 as suspected:

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/misc/cinemaEOS_faq.shtml
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« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2011, 05:48:15 pm »


Anyway, sorry for getting off topic, but for anyone out there scratching through their bank account to buy a a $20,000 plastic camera that is going to go obsolete in 18 months, just remember it's not always what we do behind the lens, but in front of it that's important and really worth the price of admission.


If it works well in January 2012. It will still work well in January 2112...

Obsolescence is preached by those that want you to believe a half baked future solution = non obsolescence...

I say let your understanding guide you... choose wisely...
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« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2011, 05:58:50 pm »

Somewhere at the beginning of this thread I remember asking about this Canon: what does it have the competition doesn't already have? I'm still waiting for an answer.

There is a marketing term for that, don't remember, when a product is alone on the market to have this or that spec so it's in a unique sell position. Anyway.

Red actually does.  No one on earth today offers Raw at that resolution, with a free good software, prices confined in the reasonable and top built quality, some kind of universality with lenses, a stable format between generations.

This Canon is maybe a great tool but it has nothing groundbreaking that does not already exist.

And of course the content.

How many times we have seen here (and everywhere else) 65 MP cameras shooting so so models in a mall coral? And it looks, well, so so, regardless of the super hyper definition, DR, or any golden component. (tomorrow will have one with diamonds I'm sure, you'll see! Marketing people are unlimited beings)...  But if you shoot a really top model with any of the entry-level cameras that exist on the market of the all galaxy, you'll probably have something.

Cast is much more important than gear.

I can shoot with one of the cooooooter's red one 4K a campaign, Zeiss cine lenses and all the bazar, and if the talent is crap, or the stylist, or the MUA or me, or whatever that concerns the content fail, 4K or 4000K, 444 or 422, bloody Prores or DNxHD, graded in Da-Vinci or FX in Nuke, it will be another more crappery to upload in Vimeo.

Ps: I've seen today that Grass Valley has win some big contracts recently. I was a bit worry because they where in trouble and been bought. But it seems that the new directives are doing well, so we still might see them in this industry. I really love their NLE approach, super fast, intuitive, powerfull, with just the needed tools well implemented. It's a good news.
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