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fotometria gr

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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2011, 04:06:37 PM »

Interesting.  Now you are telling us what we are allowed to discuss.

There's nothing really left to say except ... you are entitled to your religious beliefs and opinions.
... 8) Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr
P.S. Reasoning..., remember?
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2011, 04:20:24 PM »

What is art is ultimately decided by recipients, not creators. The recipients neither know, nor care, whether visualization was involved or not. Ergo, for something to be considered art, visualization is totally irrelevant.


Correct, but this is only economical and doesn't apply through time. History has been proved not to make mistakes. Of course its the values of history which have been taught to US, that WE don't accept.... Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2011, 04:35:50 PM »

Correct, but this is only economical and doesn't apply through time. History has been proved not to make mistakes. Of course its the values of history which have been taught to US, that WE don't accept.... Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr

What!?

Is this a Google translation? In any case, it's all Greek to me.

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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2011, 05:12:01 PM »

... 8) Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr
P.S. Reasoning..., remember?

Why don't you give us your reasoning first Theo.

"Because the old masters said so" is not reasoning, that's just playing lemming.
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2011, 07:57:28 PM »

What!?

Is this a Google translation? In any case, it's all Greek to me.
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2011, 08:03:54 PM »

So far as I can make out he is on some kind of holy war to save art
photography from the great unwashed mass of pathetic struggling
snapshooters out there.
A fundamentalist photographic jihad of some kind it would seem. Though he does seem to be struggling to recruit acolytes....
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2011, 04:28:42 AM »

If you go into your profile you can block users, I've already blocked this troll who has been working his way through the entire forum putting peoples teeth on edge.

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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2011, 02:11:00 AM »

If you go into your profile you can block users, I've already blocked this troll who has been working his way through the entire forum putting peoples teeth on edge.

I only see a way to block personal messages from a user.  I wish that I could block certain people's posts from being visible.
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2011, 04:46:33 PM »

If you put users names in that box it blocks their posts as well.

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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2011, 08:52:48 PM »

After all of the rhetoric and digression, the issue of manipulating images boils down to intent.

Everyone has to "manipulate" his images in order to perfect the look of them. This effort might be more properly called "perfecting" the image, rather than "manipulating" it.

To truly manipulate an image, you are distorting or changing the image to be something different from what you originally saw.
To merely "perfect" the image, you are attempting to make the necessary adjustments to best reflect what you DID see that prompted you to take the photograph in the first place.

Thus it all boils down to the distinction I posted on the first page:

If your goal is to take accurate photographs of nature's creatures, in their natural settings, then image manipulation should be kept to a bare minimum with the only goal being to render the image as accurately and close as possible to "what you saw." In this case, you are not manipulating the image to change it in any way, but rather to have the image look UNchanged from how you saw it live. In fact, in the forthcoming National Geographic Photography contest, they even have a direct message from the Executive Editor of the magazine, that the goal of all images submitted is to keep it real, and there should be NO "extra" image manipulation at all, besides minor sharpening, etc.

By contrast, if your goal as a photographer is to creat a Work of Art, then IMO you pretty much have poetic license to do whatever you want to do that pleases you: sepia tones, composites, color filters, etc. And that goes for pre- or post-process.

And that's pretty much all there is to it.

Jack


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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2011, 03:42:09 AM »

If you put users names in that box it blocks their posts as well.
The trouble is, it doesn't block quotes from their ignorant rants which others use in their replies. There's no solution to that, unfortunately. I just look at the poster's name and if it's on my memorised "ignore" list, scroll past it; sometimes, I have to scroll quite a long way to get past just a single post.

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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2011, 10:09:32 AM »

... To truly manipulate an image, you are distorting or changing the image to be something different from what you originally saw.
To merely "perfect" the image, you are attempting to make the necessary adjustments to best reflect what you DID see that prompted you to take the photograph in the first place...

In a (rare) agreement with Jack, may I suggest the National Geographic's stance on the subject, and in particular (emphases mine):

"... Please do not digitally enhance or alter your photographs (beyond the basics needed to achieve realistic color balance and sharpness). If you have digitally added or removed anything, please don't submit the shot. We look at every photo to see if it's authentic, and if we find that yours is in any way deceptive, we'll disqualify it..."

I am sure this is further going to inflame the debate, particularly among the pedants on the forum with philosophical inclinations (or sheepskins), into the direction of "what the definition of 'is' is", i.e., the meaning behind the words "enhance", "alter", "authentic", "deceptive", etc. To them, I offer my favorite quote, by the supreme authority on the subject (paraphrased): "Like love and pornography, hard to define, but you'll know it when you see it."

P.S. The first person to divert the discussion toward the placement of punctuation marks above shall forever be exiled to Dante's fifth circle ;)



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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2011, 12:19:23 PM »

If you put users names in that box it blocks their posts as well.

works like a charm!  thanks
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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2011, 05:15:43 PM »

In a (rare) agreement with Jack, may I suggest the National Geographic's stance on the subject, and in particular (emphases mine):
"... Please do not digitally enhance or alter your photographs (beyond the basics needed to achieve realistic color balance and sharpness). If you have digitally added or removed anything, please don't submit the shot. We look at every photo to see if it's authentic, and if we find that yours is in any way deceptive, we'll disqualify it..."
I am sure this is further going to inflame the debate, particularly among the pedants on the forum with philosophical inclinations (or sheepskins), into the direction of "what the definition of 'is' is", i.e., the meaning behind the words "enhance", "alter", "authentic", "deceptive", etc. To them, I offer my favorite quote, by the supreme authority on the subject (paraphrased): "Like love and pornography, hard to define, but you'll know it when you see it."
P.S. The first person to divert the discussion toward the placement of punctuation marks above shall forever be exiled to Dante's fifth circle ;)

You know, Slobodan, you could have rephrased by saying, "In a rare moment of clarity, I agree with Jack's point."

As far as your quoting National Geographic goes, I already had a link to it, but thanks for copying it here so that those who don't click links can read it

Glad we can agree on something!

Jack

PS: Oh, and to take your bait on the punctuation issue, and risk Purgatory, the red-highlighted commas should be inside the quotation marks, since you do not have the British excuse for leaving them outside


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Re: Do You Manipulate Your Images
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2011, 07:12:11 AM »

Anyone thinking about posting on ..... Do You Manipulate Your Images ..... please hurry. Thread locked soon. ;D

Hey Stamper!

 ;D Funny! (First chuckle I've had here in a while. ;D)

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