Ilford Gold Fibre vs Canson Infinity Baryta

[digitaldog]

A customer just sent me two papers to profile, Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and Canson Infinity Baryta Photographique. After looking at the measured data (measured twice), it appears the papers are identical. Anyone know if this is indeed a fact as I can’t explain the tiny deltaE differences  (Avg 0.17) as being anything else.

[Mark D Segal]

Yes, similar remarks by others in several threads on this Forum. I have also profiled both papers, looked at both in ColorThink Pro and indeed come to the same observations as you have - very little apparent difference. However, the latest batch of IFGS I bought was stated to be manufactured in Germany and the Canson manufactured in France. Doesn't mean they aren't the same recipe, but ostensibly they are not coming from the same paper plant. However, we could wonder whether both companies aren't sourcing the same paper from the same party in a third country. I'm told by one of my European colleagues that in the EU context the rules of origin are flexible enough to declare local manufacturing for a product which actually undergoes very little transformation where it is said to be made. So really not clear. Being hypothetical here - it would be a hoot to discover, for example, that both papers come from the same mill in China, one packaged in Germany, the other in France. Only their hairdressers know.

[Ernst Dinkla]

Identical spectral plots and the same weight said so at least a year ago and there were threads on that subject on this forum. There could be a small difference in top coating, the Canson slightly more glossy.


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[eleanorbrown]

Only difference I have ever been able to see is a very very slight difference in the stipple on the surface...I prefer the Canson. Eleanor

[digitaldog]

Thanks, confirms my suspicions.

[narikin]

Yes, many others have commented on it here, including moi.

Ernst's spectral plots are the smoking gun.

Shame they didn't make the surface a smoother on the Canson release - when light catches it, the stipple is pretty apparent.

Otherwise - great material.

[deanwork]

Yes, we discussed this awhile back. I have them both here and have printed with both extensively for bw and color, on a couple of different printers and they behave identically in regard to profiling, ink limits, texture effects, and color gamut,....right down to the problems with bronzing that complicate their use for black and white. As a matter of fact with the HP pigments they are pretty much useless for bw.

The good thing I can say about them is that they don't have the massive amount of oba content that papers like the Innova and Epson Exh. Fine Art have and this shows up clearly in Aardenburg's tests by looking at the Ilford data.

john

[Ernst Dinkla]

Yes, we discussed this awhile back. I have them both here and have printed with both extensively for bw and color, on a couple of different printers and they behave identically in regard to profiling, ink limits, texture effects, and color gamut,....right down to the problems with bronzing that complicate their use for black and white. As a matter of fact with the HP pigments they are pretty much useless for bw.

The good thing I can say about them is that they don't have the massive amount of oba content that papers like the Innova and Epson Exh. Fine Art have and this shows up clearly in Aardenburg's tests by looking at the Ilford data.

john

Other papers that could fall in that category are Pictorico GKR Pro B&W Cotton Gloss 265 grams and the Breathing Color Vibrance Rag 310 grams. The plots for the coating are quite identical but their paper base has more FBA buffer so follows the coating spectral plot more. If the same FBA ingredients are used that could be an improvement to keep paper white even more constant in time.

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