i asked some retailers,some of them mentioned,as i quote,although iq180 wins on the pixes,but when you really enlarge the image,hasseblade gives you more feeling of the texture.
Please please please either contact a dealer for each and download some sample raw files or ideally shoot some of your own to test this statement. To me (a very biased source of info to be sure) this statement is utter non-sense - I think if you ask David Grover to reply directly to this image he will say something very similar to what he said re: "Image quality from any MF product these days will blow you away, regardless of manufacturer. Be wary of those who tell you different!"
is h4d is still capable to connect with film magazine?
A Phase One IQ180 can be used on a Phase One DF or Phase One AF body. While the DF cannot use a film magazine the AF body can. This would provide a relatively inexpensive way to use any of the focal plane lenses with film. An AF body (as a backup and for use with the film magazine) can be purchased for around $1100 refurbished with a warranty (though availability varies from month to month) and does not have to be "coupled" to a particular back since Phase One's system is open to any back on any body.
and if personally compare the uniqueness of image quality of iq 180 and h4d-60 what will you say?
I'd likewise agree with David that IQ at low ISO and for short exposures will be excellent with both cameras. That's not to say the same, but to be very clear they will both perform extremely well. If you get a chance to compare I'd look for differences in higher ISOs, longer exposures (10 seconds +), and in tough dynamic range situations (e.g. lifting shadows and recovering highlights).
What I believe, where I strengths lie, is a very accurate, natural pleasing colour rendition of the H4D60 (and other H4D cameras). We don't rely purely on ICC profiles to deliver good colours from the H4D. Therefore in Phocus (our software) you will not find different ICC profile options for Product, Portrait, Daylight, Flash etc. We are confident that our colour engine produces what the photographer wants to see regardless of lighting type and subject - in particular a wide variety of skin tones.
I realise that is a bold claim(!) but your own tests I think would confirm that if you took an H4D60 for a spin.
IMO there is no such thing as a camera that has "natural pleasing colour" for every application. As a simple example a camera which has "good skin tones" with it's default ICC profile (assuming it has more than one) will have very poor red discrimination for product/landscape/still-life applications. This is because one of the elements of "good skin tones" is reducing the cameras sensitivities to subtle variations of red. That is why Leaf and Phase One provide multiple ICC profiles which can be applied at capture or after the fact (since it's always a raw file) to allow very very easy application of color response which is better suited to a particular application. In addition Capture One features what I would strongly say is the most powerful color editor available in any raw processing software (including features that aren't even available in photoshop). So while I would argue the IQ180 also has "natural pleasing colour" for most situations using the default (zero effort) ICC profile I think it's a strong advantage that you can select another ICC profile specifically for "portrait" or "outdoor daylite" or "flash".
i really want to get the top of the line.i am also thinking about h4d-200ms because of future products shoot business.and also that is why i am not looking at iq160.one reason is i heard rumor that iq160 is a repacked P65.the iq180 is the one really makes difference.the only question is how much difference it really makes.
Saying the IQ160 is a "repackaged P65+" is I think grossly unfair. It is using the same sensor as the P65+ but every other component has been swapped out for a far more modern pipeline, chassis, and user interface.
The H4D-60, P65+, and IQ160 all use the same Dalsa 60mp sensor. That is now one generation old - though to be clear - still an
exceptional sensor. The new top-of-the-line is the Dalsa 80mp sensor, exclusive to the IQ180 and Leaf Aptus II 12. The H4D-200 is a multishot back, and we (Capture Integration) do not comment negatively on any product we do not sell, so I would simply encourage you to make sure you actually get a multishot back in your hand and do a multi-shot shoot so you understand the positives and negatives of that process; it is a very different workflow than any other camera you've used (which would all be single shot backs). The IQ180 does have greater dynamic range and better long exposures than the 65+ but the differences are subtle when compared to the leap of either back over 35mm dSLRs.
Seriously I'd hate to imagine working my way through hundreds of 60/80MP files on any computer and enjoying the experience. Then to only output the images at A4 99% of the time never mind the technical challenges involved in actually capturing a sharp image in the first place with an 80MP sensor during a wedding.
I must be mis-reading as this seems like the perfect argument to use a Phase One IQ180!
Phase One realized this fact of life several years ago: many applications will not require the highest resolution and using higher resolution than needed means slower workflow.
That's why they worked with Dalsa to produce the only (current) pixel-binning sensor technology which works at the pre-raw level. The technology is called Sensor+ and allows the IQ180 to shoot an 80mp raw file with ISO 32 to 800, or a 20mp raw file with ISO140 to ISO3200. The quality of the sensor+ files is the same as the full raw file, but with 1/4th the resolution, and two full stops of native ISO gain. This means you can carry one camera with one set of lenses/batteries/chargers and switch between the world's highest resolution single-shot capture (tied with the Aptus II 12) or a faster 20mp camera with captures up to ISO3200.
Lastly, not often fully considered by first time purchasers is the software. You will be spending a lot of time in either Phocus or Capture One. Capture One is an industry favorite for tethered capture and raw processing even for Nikon and Canon shooters. These non-phase-one users are opting to use Capture One not because it's their only option but because they've done their own testing and found it to be faster and produce better image quality than their other alternatives. It has an extensive set of tools to allow you to get as much done at the raw stage as possible (which is a faster and better quality workflow than moving the file immediately to PS). Google "digital tech" for your area and call up the first few names you find and ask which medium format back they prefer to assist for and use the software of.
My strong suggestion would be to get your hands on both sets of cameras and do a real-world shoot with each including setup, tethered and untethered shooting, editing through the raws, adjusting the raws as much as possible in-raw, processing and retouching in photoshop.
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