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Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« on: May 01, 2011, 12:21:02 pm »

I would like to have some suggestion and ideas about how to implement a Spectrolino in a "modern" workflow.
I have some question and I hope you can answer. I already asked some question to terrywyse and I like to say thanks to him for the suggestion he already gave me.

1) What is the best adapter to buy to connect the Spectrolino and the Spectroscan to an USB port? I have a Windows 7 based PC. Do I need anything particular or the cheapest adapter is fine? What do I have to do to connect the instrument to my computer? Will it work with Windows 7?

2) I would like to use i1Profiler software with the Spectroscan+Spectrolino. Do you think that this is possible? I have ColorPort 2 and it seems to be compatible with the targets generated with i1Profiler (CGATS .5). If I read the test chart with ColorPort will I obtain data that I can import in i1Profiler? I know that ColorPort can save measurements data in CGATS .17, can I import this data in the i1Profiler software? Do you suggest to use ProfileMaker MeasureTool to do this?

If you have any suggestions, comments or anything that you consider useful I will be happy to read it.
Thanks.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 12:39:03 pm »

I would like to have some suggestion and ideas about how to implement a Spectrolino in a "modern" workflow.
I have some question and I hope you can answer. I already asked some question to terrywyse and I like to say thanks to him for the suggestion he already gave me.

1) What is the best adapter to buy to connect the Spectrolino and the Spectroscan to an USB port? I have a Windows 7 based PC. Do I need anything particular or the cheapest adapter is fine? What do I have to do to connect the instrument to my computer? Will it work with Windows 7?


I would recommend the Keyspan model USA-19HS, USB to serial adapter. Can't say for sure with Windows 7 but it's worked flawless for me on both MacOS and WinXPPro. I think the Keyspan adapter is about $40 street price. Actually, the link I embedded states that it's compatible with both Windows 7 and Mac OS, both 32 and 64-bit.

I've used the Keyspan USB-to-serial adapter on a couple of instruments (Spectrolino/Spectroscan and a SpectroEye) with no issues. Just install the latest driver software and you should be fine.


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2) I would like to use i1Profiler software with the Spectroscan+Spectrolino. Do you think that this is possible? I have ColorPort 2 and it seems to be compatible with the targets generated with i1Profiler (CGATS .5). If I read the test chart with ColorPort will I obtain data that I can import in i1Profiler? I know that ColorPort can save measurements data in CGATS .17, can I import this data in the i1Profiler software? Do you suggest to use ProfileMaker MeasureTool to do this?


ColorPort CGATS files will work fine with i1Profiler. i1Profiler is only going to care if the data is in the correct format, not what instrument it came from.

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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 01:40:13 pm »

Thanks again.

I found the USA-19HS also here in Italy so I will order it.

I also installed Profiler Maker 5.0.10 in demo mode so that I can use MeasureTool.

I noticed in ColorPort that the output TIF file is 203dpi, is it possibile to have it at 360dpi? I would like the file at 360dpi because this is the native resolution of my printer, do you think that this is a reasonable request or not? Otherwise I will resample in Photoshop CS5, what resampling algorithm do you suggest?
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 03:39:53 pm »

I noticed in ColorPort that the output TIF file is 203dpi, is it possibile to have it at 360dpi? I would like the file at 360dpi because this is the native resolution of my printer, do you think that this is a reasonable request or not? Otherwise I will resample in Photoshop CS5, what resampling algorithm do you suggest?

Resolution of the profiling chart is a non-issue.....but if you insist on changing the resolution, make SURE you use "Nearest Neighbor" sampling.

If it were me, I would not alter the profiling chart in any way. The risk of changing the size/scaling is too great and offers no benefit whatsoever.

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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 06:11:49 pm »

Thanks.

For what I know the printer driver will resize the image if it is not sent at 360dpi with the driver settings that I am using. This is why I would like to have the chart test in 360dpi resolution. If you suggest me to leave it as it is I will do it. With ArgyllCMS I can set the resolution when I generate the TIFF file.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 07:53:30 pm »

Thanks.

For what I know the printer driver will resize the image if it is not sent at 360dpi with the driver settings that I am using. This is why I would like to have the chart test in 360dpi resolution. If you suggest me to leave it as it is I will do it. With ArgyllCMS I can set the resolution when I generate the TIFF file.
But ArgyllCMS keeps track of the setting in subsequent files and can correct for it; it may be that other software require an unchanged version of target.  If you use the Adobe Color Printer Utility (here) you are assured of printing a TIFF file with no changes and no color management.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 08:40:47 pm »

For what I know the printer driver will resize the image if it is not sent at 360dpi with the driver settings that I am using.

If it reSAMPLES to 360dpi, that's fine, but it'd better not reSCALE or reSIZE it or you'll have problems measuring in on the Spectroscan. It must physically come out the expected size regardless of the resolution. I would still recommend leaving the chart image alone and if the driver resamples it to 360dpi, so be it.

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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 09:46:32 am »

Thanks again.

I am using Photoshop CS5 and I am printing with the "null trick" described in this and other forums, I don't like the Adobe utility.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2011, 07:49:04 pm »

Resizing or scaling the chart does not affect the Spectroscan unless the patch size gets either too small to measure (the absolute minimum size you want to read is 5mm) or too large to fit on the table. For MeasureTool usage, you align the Spectrolino head to three of the four corners. MeasureTool then calculates where each patch is. If you use Argyll and its hexagonal patch layout, the tolerances are tighter. I hesitate to go below 6mm on them.

The easiest chart building utility I have found is X-Rite's ColorLab. Load a CGATS file and export a tiff image. Sizing the image is easy - multiply the number of rows x desired ppi = vertical pixels, repeat for columns. Open the tiff in Photoshop and set the resolution to 360 ppi (do not resample, just a resolution change) and you are done.

MeasureTool output files can be loaded into i1Profiler. Just drag-and-drop onto the measurement panel.

For connecting a Spectroscan to your computer, the Keyspan adapter Terry recommends is a tried and true option. We have used other USB to Serial adapters with mixed results. Keyspan works. If you use Windows a even better alternative is an add-in serial board. We have used ones from Startech that include a "UART" (an on-board serial controller), both PCI cards on older computers and PCI Express on our current systems. They give bulletproof connectivity, cut the MeasureTool's CPU-hogging down to useable levels, and do not show the occasional data error that even a Keyspan adapter has. As far as I know, however, there are only Windows drivers available for these cards.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2011, 10:24:28 am »

I am using a KeySpan USA-19HS adapter and it works fine whit Windows 7, I can use the SpectroScan without problems with both ArgyllCMS and ColorPort 2.

Can you please tell me how can I use the ColorPort readings in i1Profiler? I noticed that ColorPort has different options, I have tried some but I can’t save in a format that i1Profiler will read.

I tried both to “drag and drop” and to move directly to the i1Profiler C:\ProgramData\X-Rite\i1Profiler\ColorSpaceRGB\Measurements but I can’t make the program read the data.

What am I missing?


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I rebooted the PC and now it works... I simply did the same drag and drop of the same file and now it is working fine.
Can anybody please suggest me the "best" way to save ColorPort readings? Is there anyformat that saves "more" data so that the reading are more precise, or all the format are the same?
Now I am using the PM format without any conversion.
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 10:35:27 am »


Can anybody please suggest me the "best" way to save ColorPort readings? Is there anyformat that saves "more" data so that the reading are more precise, or all the format are the same?
Now I am using the PM format without any conversion.

I think the "ProfileMaker 5" format is your best bet.....and use the XRGA option if it's available. The PM5 format is pure spectral data and should work fine.

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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 11:03:08 am »

Thanks.
I will need to make more tests, but it seem that the Spectrolino profile is wider and has better shadows details. Notice that the both the instrumets are new (Spectrolino is right back from X-Rite).
Talking with some colour managment expterts they all agree that the "head" of the Spectrolino is better than the one in the i1Pro.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 11:43:36 am »

I've just been saving the data out of ColorPort as CGATS files and dragging those in to i1Profiler. I haven't run into any issues yet.

Cheers, Joe
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Re: Spectrolino in "modern" workflow.
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2011, 12:31:30 am »

Does your Microsoft based computer have a 9 pin a-sync port on the back?

If so, get a 25 pin to 9 pin cable and plug the 25 pin end into the 25 pin port on the back of the Spectroscan and plug the 9 pin end into your 9 pin a-sync port on the computer.  Check out the male-female thing to make sure you get the right cable.  They come in various configurations.

This connects the Spectroscan directly to the computer without going through an intermediate device and software.


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Coloprot v2; no connection to SpectroScan?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2015, 11:10:58 am »

I am using a KeySpan USA-19HS adapter and it works fine whit Windows 7, I can use the SpectroScan without problems with both ArgyllCMS and ColorPort 2.

Yes - SpectroScan and KeySpan USA-19HS adapter works fine on PC and Mac OS 10.85 with ArgyllCMS.
But when it comes to Coloprot v2; no connection to SpectroScan?

What am I doing wrong?

Who is still working with this combination and can help?

Thanks! :)
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