Color shift in InDesign

[mrcmrc]

Hello guys,
I'm using InDesign CS5 on my mac, printing on a Epson 3880.

I wish to print an InDesign document with a photo and a caption text below it.
The photo is a tiff file with a ProPhoto profile embedded.

My colour settings in ID are as showed in this screen-shot:
http://www.hylarborea.net/download/indesign-colour-settings.jpg

The print result with a strange purple cast, different from the print I've made from Photoshop CS5 and Lightroom 3 (the colors of the prints from PS5 and LR3 are identical), this using the same print profile: the canson baryta .icc used also in the print setting of InDesign you can see below.
Naturally Color Management in the print settings dialog is disabled (both when printing from PS5, LR3 and from ID).

Transparency Blend Space in InDesign is "Document RGB".

I cannot figure out if InDesign is printing the document as CYMK and not RGB... I know only that colours are different from the LR3 & PS5 prints.

Also tried to export a PDF from InDesign, and print it from Acrobat, I get the same color-shifted print I get from InDesign.

Someone experienced this kind of problem? Any solution?

Many thanks,
- Marco.


Here the InDesign print settings summary:

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Print Preset: [Custom]
Printer: EPSON Epson Stylus Pro 3880
PPD: N/A
PPD File: N/A
General
    Copies: 1
    Collate: N/A
    Reverse Order: Off
    Pages: All
    Sequence: All Pages
    Spreads: Off
    Print Master Pages: Off
    Print Layers: Visible & Printable Layers
    Print Non-printing Objects: Off
    Print Blank Pages: Off
    Print Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off
   
Setup
    Paper Size: A4 (Manual – Rear)
    Paper Width: 20,9973 cm
    Paper Height: 29,6968 cm
    Page Orientation: Portrait
    Paper Offset: N/A
    Paper Gap: N/A
    Transverse: N/A
    Scaling: 100%
    Constrain Proportions: On
    Page Position: Upper Left
    Thumbnails: Off
    Tiling: Off
Marks and Bleed
    Crop Marks: Off
    Bleed Marks: Off
    Registration Marks: Off
    Colour Bars: Off
    Page Information: Off
    Printer Mark Type: Default
    Crop Mark Weight: 0.25 pt
    Mark Offset from Page: 0,2117 cm
    Use Document Bleed Settings: On
    Bleed Top: 0 cm
    Bleed Bottom: 0 cm
    Bleed Inside: 0 cm
    Bleed Outside: 0 cm
    Include Slug Area: Off
Output
    Colour: Composite RGB
    Text As Black: Off
    Trapping: N/A
    Flip: N/A
    Negative: N/A
    Screening: N/A
    Simulate Overprint: Off
Graphics
    Send Data: All
    Download: N/A
    Download PPD Fonts: N/A
    PostScript®: N/A
    Data Format: N/A
Colour Management
    Document Profile: ProPhoto RGB
    Colour Handling: Let InDesign Determine Colours
    Printer Profile: cifa_3880_baryta310_p_bk
    Preserve RGB Numbers: Off
    Proof Profile: N/A
    Simulate Paper Colour: N/A
Advanced
    Print &as Bitmap: On
    Bitmap Resolution: 360
    OPI Image Replacement: N/A
    EPS: N/A
    PDF: N/A
    Bitmap Images: N/A
    Transparency Flattener Preset: N/A
    Ignore Spread Overrides: N/A

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[Doyle Yoder]

First thought is that your Epson print driver is not up to date for 10.6 and Apple's new printing path when printing from LR and PS which causes double profiling.

Was the profile generated from a target printed from PS with this combination?

What happens when you use Epson's canned profiles with ID or PS, LR?

What OS version, Epson driver version?

[graeme]

Hi Marco

Might it not be easier just to print the image and caption from Photoshop - open the image in photoshop, expand the canvas to create space for the lettering and use the Type tool for the caption?

Graeme

[mrcmrc]

Thanks for the replies,

I run OSX 10.6.7, Epson driver 6.60.

I tried to do some other google researches about double-profiling, I think that in a post of another user I've identified the same problem:

Turns out that when printing from InDesign there are two places in the printer driver one must turn off operating system applied color profiles when wanting to use custom profile applied in the application.
The first (at least for my current Epson print drivers) is in the Printer Settings under color mode where you turn off color management.
But, then under Color Matching there is are radio buttons specifying ColorSync and Epson Color Controls. I seem to remember this being greyed out lots (as in Photoshop). But, when printing from InDesign, it is active. If you leave it on the default ColorSync, you get another profile applied. It has to be set on Epson Color Controls.

So I tried to set "Epson Color Controls" instead of ColorSync, and the color are now very similar to that printed from PS and LR3.

Graeme, you're right, just in InDesign I thought to have some advanced layout&text controls, I never imagined to find all these problems about profiles...

[wmduncan]

Million Thanks!
I've been fighting and losing with this problem for at least a year.
Prints looked fine from Photoshop but overexposed in InDesign.
Hours and hours wasted. I just knew it was something simple.
Now will Lion bite back?
--Bill
Seems like LL solved my last problem too (salmon color problem)

[digitaldog]

So I tried to set "Epson Color Controls" instead of ColorSync, and the color are now very similar to that printed from PS and LR3.

Yup, the grayed out behavior is something Photoshop and Lightroom does (inflicts itself on the Epson driver) but other app’s, including other Adobe app’s don’t. Its darn confusing because in Photoshop you get one setting but other applications use the opposite setting.

Now will Lion bite back?

If history is any indication, it has to.

[Simon J.A. Simpson]

A work around is to export the page from InDesign as PDF with the Working Space as the document profile.

Import the PDF into Photoshop ensuring that you select “Crop to: Media Box” and a “Resolution” to 600 “pixels/inch” (or more).  Then print using Photoshop's colour management.

This latter advice of resolution is likely to cause a deluge of postings so, folks, please read this – below – carefully.

The reason for the high resolution is to get text without jaggies and has nothing to do with the inherent resolution of the printer and the like.  This is based on my lengthy experience of printing artwork with an inkjet printer – 300ppi  or 360ppi is simply not enough to get jaggie free text.  Go try it.

I gave up trying to get a decent colour managed inkjet print from InDesign.

This is fiddly and not staisfactory, but it works and is reliable.