Topic: CFV 50 (Read 34366 times)

fredjeang · « **on:** April 02, 2011, 11:30:04 am »

I just saw, re-reading an old Hasselblad newsletter, that the CVF-50 is at 12400euros here, new.
50MP and 38 in squared format, plus that it's usable on view cams: it makes me think that at this price,
considering that the V cameras cost nothing today, it really is a "bargain".

(and the V are quite elegant compared to the "alien space-ship look" of the current H bodies)

But I don't really know if such an old system not made for digital handles well the 50MP digital (thinking of lenses in particular).

Of course the Hassy propagande will say that it's wonderfully corrected (DAC).

but DAC or not, what about users?

ps:I checked on Robisa in Madrid wich is the official dealer and price is 12500, so 100 more than the rest of Europe??
The spanish exception.

John R Smith · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2011, 12:02:02 pm »

Fred

About 12,000 euros/GBP is about right for the 50 MP. As to "does it work" - well, as you know, almost every picture I have posted here in the Critique section has been taken on the CFV-39. So if you check back through those pix you can to some extent judge for yourself, or at least as far as you can judge anything from a small jpeg. All of them were taken on very old Zeiss 'C' lenses, with no DAC or any nonsense like that. The CFV 39 and 50 are exactly the same except for the sensor, of course. In use, they are brilliant - you just use them exactly like a film magazine. No sync cable, no messing. Slap it on, choose your ISO, and shoot.

John

fredjeang · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2011, 01:51:05 pm »

Thanks John.
How is your experience with the CVF non-tethered?

Is there a reliable viwfinder for that camera?

Also, I guess it doesn't work with Phocus Mobile?

John R Smith · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2011, 02:02:05 pm »

Quote from: fredjeang on April 02, 2011, 01:51:05 pm

Thanks John.
How is your experience with the CVF non-tethered?

Also, I guess it doesn't work with Phocus Mobile?

Fred, I've never used the CFV tethered. I'm always outdoors. I don't use Phocus of any sort, just Lightroom. David Grover might be able to answer the more technical questions. I've only ever used the CFV as a substitute for a film magazine in the simplest possible way. I shoot to the CF card and treat the whole thing just like film, really. But you can do all sorts of clever stuff with it, if you want.

I bought it because it has nice shiny chrome bits on it, which you can polish

John

fredjeang · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2011, 02:07:41 pm »

Quote from: John R Smith on April 02, 2011, 02:02:05 pm

I bought it because it has nice shiny chrome bits on it, which you can polish

John

Yes, a nice peice of camera indeed. There are hundreds in Madrid for less than an entry level plastic dslr.
I'm conpletly fed-up by the multifunction buttons. One button=one function is high on my list.
Second-hand lenses are easy to find.
I like the idea that a crop squared still gives almost 40MP.

John R Smith · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2011, 02:18:48 pm »

Quote from: fredjeang on April 02, 2011, 01:51:05 pm

Is there a reliable viwfinder for that camera?

Viewfinders, you must be joking. For the 500 and 200 series cameras there are -

Waistlevel finder and magnifier

90 degree prisms

45 degree prisms

Magnifying Hood (Chimney Finder)

Frame Sports Finders

And a zillion interchangeable screens.

One of the very nicest 45 deg prisms is the old NC2, with a wonderful large exit pupil.

John

John R Smith · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2011, 03:17:33 pm »

Quote from: John R Smith on April 02, 2011, 02:02:05 pm

I bought it because it has nice shiny chrome bits on it, which you can polish

You thought I was kidding, didn't you? If you offered me the choice between the Phase IQ 80 MP and the CFV, I'd take the CFV because I like the look of it better. Just like cars, really - now a Jaguar XK 150, there was a car . . .

John

fredjeang · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2011, 03:43:52 pm »

Quote from: John R Smith on April 02, 2011, 03:17:33 pm

You thought I was kidding, didn't you? If you offered me the choice between the Phase IQ 80 MP and the CFV, I'd take the CFV because I like the look of it better. Just like cars, really - now a Jaguar XK 150, there was a car . . .

John

When I was a kid, I found a job of drawing contests perspectives in an arquitecture agency in the south of France, in the city of Pau. The arquitect had a Xk 150 and sometimes he brought me for a ride in downtown. I was amazed by the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYRqAM7wm0&feature=related

JV · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2011, 05:33:56 pm »

Quote from: fredjeang on April 02, 2011, 11:30:04 am

(and the V are quite elegant compared to the "alien space-ship look" of the current H bodies)

the alien space-ship like H camera is easily the better camera though...
and not terribly expensive on the used market either...
don't get me wrong, I love my 503cw...

E_Edwards · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2011, 08:27:03 pm »

What about the H4D-50MS.

Multishot. Doesn't it temp you? I don't know the price though.

donaldt · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2011, 04:30:52 am »

well multishots will only tempt the ones who only shoots still life
it has very little practical use out in the field

as for the Carl Zeiss lenses working on the 50MP
yes they do work, I love them on my H3Dii-50
sometimes I like them over the newer H lenses (although they are sharp, the older Zeiss are smoother)

John R Smith · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2011, 04:42:21 am »

And another thing, Fred.

If you go and get the CFV-50, when I have only got the 39, I shall SULK.

John

fredjeang · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2011, 10:38:14 am »

Quote from: John R Smith on April 04, 2011, 04:42:21 am

And another thing, Fred.

If you go and get the CFV-50, when I have only got the 39, I shall SULK.

John

Just for that I'm going to do it!!! Then I'd take a 50MP portrait of you sulking while looking at the 39.

nazdravanul · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:00:47 pm »

I'm getting quite interested in this back. Does anyone know what sensor is used ? Anyone with actual experience using the back ? (and maybe even some images ..

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yaya · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:20:55 pm »

Quote from: fredjeang on April 04, 2011, 10:38:14 am

Just for that I'm going to do it!!! Then I'd take a 50MP portrait of you sulking while looking at the 39.

Just don't forget to work on a horizontal composition on your V camera (sorry couldn't resist...)

ondebanks · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2011, 02:41:16 pm »

Quote from: nazdravanul on April 04, 2011, 02:00:47 pm

I'm getting quite interested in this back. Does anyone know what sensor is used ?

Kodak KAF-51000
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/business/ISS/Products/Fullframe/KAF-50100/specs.jhtml

Damn fine sensor - I only wish that PhaseOne would use it (for the long exposure capability, which their Dalsa ones completely lack).

uaiomex · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:38:00 pm »

LOL, LOTS OF LOLS

Quote from: yaya on April 04, 2011, 02:20:55 pm

Just don't forget to work on a horizontal composition on your V camera (sorry couldn't resist...)

JV · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2011, 09:28:10 pm »

Quote from: yaya on April 04, 2011, 02:20:55 pm

Just don't forget to work on a horizontal composition on your V camera (sorry couldn't resist...)

Not really an issue. Most V owners will prefer the square format anyway and not needing a cable is a great plus.
It would be interesting to know Hasselblad's strategy for non-CFV backs. Only the CFII-39MS is still available on the Hasselblad site.

vandevanterSH · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2011, 10:46:50 pm »

"The arquitect had a Xk 150 and sometimes he brought me for a ride in downtown. I was amazed by the car."
********
And it was just like my British motorcycle that needed a baking tin under the crankcase to catch the dripping oil. :>)

Steve

John R Smith · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2011, 03:16:58 am »

Quote from: yaya on April 04, 2011, 02:20:55 pm

Just don't forget to work on a horizontal composition on your V camera (sorry couldn't resist...)

Yair

As I mentioned above, we do actually have prism finders for the V-system 'Blads, you know

So a portrait of me sniffling over my CFV-39 would be no problem for Fred (and I am sure it would make a great shot).

Anyway, kudos to Hasselblad - who else does a 39 MP digital back for around £9,000 GBP including taxes, or a 50 MP for around £12,500?

John

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