i1 Patches

[Mark Paulson]

Just installed i1 Profiler yesterday and barely had time to poke around. Previously I used the Atkinson 1728 with Good results using Monaco Profiler. An of you testers have any suggestions? Should I set the patch county to 1728 and use the generated target or is there away to use the Atkinson data? Also what little I read said it I'd better to not print the target with i1 but use your printing software. Has anyone experimented with this? And yes I am quilty of posting without RTFM.

[digitaldog]

You DO want to regenerate a new target in i1P. While you can use an older target, the newer generator produces better results.

You can print the target though i1P. I’ve had no issues doing so.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Just installed i1 Profiler yesterday and barely had time to poke around. Previously I used the Atkinson 1728 with Good results using Monaco Profiler. An of you testers have any suggestions? Should I set the patch county to 1728 and use the generated target or is there away to use the Atkinson data? Also what little I read said it I'd better to not print the target with i1 but use your printing software. Has anyone experimented with this? And yes I am quilty of posting without RTFM.

There is/was nothing special about the Atkinson patches, other than that it provided a large number of them, larger than is some of the default choices with some packages. How many is enough, well, I'd say try and find out how much the resulting Deltas change when adding more patches. There is a diminishing return to be expected, sooner on some materials, later on others.

I don't know where you read that you shouldn't print from the iProfiler application, but it seem a very good path to me (by-passing chances on double profiling, as long as the printer driver is set to do no color management of its own).

Cheers,
Bart

[Mark Paulson]

I don't know where you read that you shouldn't print from the iProfiler application, but it seem a very good path to me (by-passing chances on double profiling, as long as the printer driver is set to do no color management of its own).

Cheers,
Bart

From the Xrite release notes:

Although you can print test charts directly from i1Profiler, it is highly recommended that you save the chart as TIFF files and print from the application or applications in which you will be using the ICC profiles.

I did do a little reading 

[Mark Paulson]

You DO want to regenerate a new target in i1P. While you can use an older target, the newer generator produces better results.
 

Any suggestion on optimal sample size.?

[digitaldog]

From the Xrite release notes:
I did do a little reading 

Yeah, I’d dismiss this (among other things but more later). If you follow their advise, you’d print out of CS5 and get awful results. Printing out of i1P works just fine, at least in all the testing I did to Epson and Canon printers.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

From the Xrite release notes:

Although you can print test charts directly from i1Profiler, it is highly recommended that you save the chart as TIFF files and print from the application or applications in which you will be using the ICC profiles.

I did do a little reading 

I usually try and understand why such a remark is made, rather than blindly following it. My interpretation is that there can be applications that autonomously affect the printer driver settings. In that case printing a Tiff will undergo the same 'treatment'. IMHO, it's usually better to avoid such interference, instead of giving in to it.

In my workflow, the only printer driver settings that are changed are the choice of paper and the dithering quality (and perhaps the amount of ink), and they are set by the driver only, once (per paper type). It is that response I want to be calibrated, so printing straight from the iProfiler application seems logical. After all, we want to know how the printer responds to being sent a given RGB (or CMYK) pixel color, and calibrate that and nothing else to build a profile.

Cheers,
Bart

[Rhossydd]

Printing out of i1P works just fine,

Not on Windows 7 it doesn't.
It only allows you to print to the system's default printer, even if you select another in the main home screen.

Now where do we report the bugs ? It's not the first I've found and I've only had it fully installed for 3 hours

[Mark Paulson]

I usually try and understand why such a remark is made, rather than blindly following it. My interpretation is that there can be applications that autonomously affect the printer driver settings. In that case printing a Tiff will undergo the same 'treatment'. IMHO, it's usually better to avoid such interference, instead of giving in to it.

Why do you think I asked the question? I know the proper work flow.

[digitaldog]

Not on Windows 7 it doesn't.
It only allows you to print to the system's default printer, even if you select another in the main home screen.

Now where do we report the bugs ? It's not the first I've found and I've only had it fully installed for 3 hours

Well its fine on the Mac, the only OS I tested and use.

I’ll report your issues to the appropriate parties but I doubt you’ll get a resolution until the next dot release.

[Rhossydd]

Well its fine on the Mac, the only OS I tested and use.

Lucky you, but I'd caution you to be careful of favourably reviewing a multi-platform product like this on only a single OS, if it proves to have serious flaws on other OSs your credibility may be questioned.

I’ll report your issues to the appropriate parties but I doubt you’ll get a resolution until the next dot release.

I'll be reporting my problems to X-Rite directly on Monday after another day of trying to get it to work properly (see my other other post of problems at http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=53062.0 )
At the moment I'm very underwhelmed by it.

Paul

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Lucky you, but I'd caution you to be careful of favourably reviewing a multi-platform product like this on only a single OS, if it proves to have serious flaws on other OSs your credibility may be questioned.I'll be reporting my problems to X-Rite directly on Monday after another day of trying to get it to work properly (see my other other post of problems at http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=53062.0 )
At the moment I'm very underwhelmed by it.

Paul,

In all fairness, would you be as underwhelmed when the software wasn't available until next Wednesday? The answer can only be "No". So lighten up, Wednesday is when we are allowed to be formally underwhelmed, not before ;-).

Rest assured, I also have my reservations.

Cheers,
Bart

[Rhossydd]

In all fairness, would you be as underwhelmed when the software wasn't available until next Wednesday? The answer can only be "No". So lighten up, Wednesday is when we are allowed to be formally underwhelmed, not before ;-).

Rest assured, I also have my reservations.

I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm not an official beta tester, I'm a real paying customer and the product IS shipping, so no NDA applies to me. I'm just reporting my real world experiences.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm not an official beta tester, I'm a real paying customer and the product IS shipping, so no NDA applies to me. I'm just reporting my real world experiences.

The point is, the product isn't officialy launched. The fact that somebody found an erroneously unlocked webpage for downloading the software doesn't make the software officially launched. Had it not been available yet, then no disappointment could have been formulated yet.

We apparently need to wait till Wednesday(?) before we can expect any support, including suggestions from Beta testers who are not allowed to speak up until the NDA is lifted. All others can say whatever they want and share their experiences/findings, but just don't expect answers from the horse's mouth yet. That's all.

Cheers,
Bart

[Rhossydd]

The point is, the product isn't officialy launched.

So they're selling an un-launched product ? that doesn't make much sense. I'd guess they've started selling it slightly earlier than planned, but haven't bothered to change the NDA for their testers and reviewers. Which if they've the answers to early users issues might be a bit of mistake. However it has been shown publicly a month ago, so it's hardly much of a secret and X-Rite were running training courses for in it the UK last week.

All others can say whatever they want and share their experiences/findings, but just don't expect answers from the horse's mouth yet.

If I do get help that would be nice, but I'm not expecting answers or support from anyone here, that's X-Rite's job.
I'm just reporting and sharing findings with my new purchase here, it's one of the few sites on the web where colour management issues get discussed in a mature way. I'll be on the phone to X-Rite on Monday morning regarding the problems I'm seeing, by then I'll have tried more alternatives and hopefully can provide some constructive feedback.