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Ray

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GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« on: December 07, 2010, 12:50:30 am »

As soon as I read Michael's preview of the GH2, I checked the internet for more details, including price and availability in Australia. It seemed a fascinating development in camera portabilility, combining 'very good' still image quality with 'very good'  video quality. (I've avoided the term excellent).

I discovered this feature of extra-teleconversion on Dpreview. There was great confusion about its quality, and whether the feature was available with all lenses that attach to the camera.

It's clearly intended to be better than digital zoom, but would it be as good, in terms of resolution and noise, as the standard video at 1080p.

Thanks Michael for clarifying the issue.

At ISO 320 and below, the image quality in ETC mode is about as good. But above ISO 320, the image in ETC mode begins to show more noise. This would have been my prediction. It makes sense.

Unfortunately, this situation it seems to me, tends to reduce the usability of the camera in ETC mode. Such a massive 'equivalent' focal length in 35mm terms of 2x300x2.6= 1560mm requires an exceptionally firm tripod and still subject.

To use the camera hand-held at 300mm with ETC on, would usually require a very high ISO setting in order to get a sufficiently high shutter speed, despite the benefit of IS.

Nevertheless, what we appear to have in practice, in ETC mode, is a 2mp P&S camera with 1080p video at 24fps capability, and a telephoto reach of 1560mm (in 35mm terms using the 100-300 zoom).

That's truly astounding for video.
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 07:11:59 am »

shutter speed may give a good picture hand held for stills, but trying to hand dold for video is very different.  You just get a bad case of wobble cam and unusable footage.  I know I've tried.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 08:34:16 am »

It should go without saying that long lens video use should be on a tripod. IS helps at short to moderate focal lengths, but not at over about 75mm (in FF terms).

At the end of my demo file in the review I added a "just for fun" clip at 1,500mm. My tripod for this test was a light weight Gitzo CF with a small fluid head; one that I keep in the trunk of the car for occasional use, rather than my heavy duty Enduro. As you can see, as long as there are no serious wind gusts (as there were in a couple of earlier clips) this is quite do-able.

Hand held. Forget it.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 01:44:52 pm »

The Canon Rebel T2i has what I believe is a similar feature (with its larger sensor), but unfortunately it's only at 640x480 resolution.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 03:37:20 pm »

It's also on the 60D and likely other recent cameras, but at VGA resolution it's not terrible useful or interesting.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 05:08:05 pm »

Another thing the could probably easily fix in the a firmware update, but probably won't.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 05:44:48 pm »

Canon will do it at the same time as they add proper mirror lock up. ;)

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 08:11:54 pm »

Canon will do it at the same time as they add proper mirror lock up. ;)

Michael
My rumor: Canon will soon introduce a mirrorless camera . . . with a mirror lockup button.  ;D
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 09:01:54 pm »

My rumor: Canon will soon introduce a mirrorless camera . . . with a mirror lockup button.  ;D


Actually, Canon already have a mirror lockup button. It's called 'LiveView'. In LiveView mode, activated by the press of a single button, the mirror is lifted and stays lifted for any subsequent shots you might take whilst in that mode. This is one advantage than Canon has over Nikon.  :D
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 09:36:04 pm »

Sorry, but Live View just isn't an appropriate mirror lock up substitute. It runs the sensor continuously, and in warm weather while you're waiting with the mirror up for a shot, the last thing you want is a hot sensor.

It also illuminates the rear LCD, something you definitely won't want in many low light situations, which is exactly when you want MLU.

Why Canon can't atvleast make it an optional part of the self timer function is beyond reason. They simply don't get it. It's freaking firmware. It costs almost nothing. Photographers want it. Canon refuses to give it to them.

What's with that?

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 11:14:37 pm »

Sorry, but Live View just isn't an appropriate mirror lock up substitute. It runs the sensor continuously, and in warm weather while you're waiting with the mirror up for a shot, the last thing you want is a hot sensor.

It also illuminates the rear LCD, something you definitely won't want in many low light situations, which is exactly when you want MLU.

Why Canon can't atvleast make it an optional part of the self timer function is beyond reason. They simply don't get it. It's freaking firmware. It costs almost nothing. Photographers want it. Canon refuses to give it to them.

What's with that?

Michael

Okay! Point taken, Michael. In which case, frame your shot through the standard viewfinder, focus and compose, then press the MLU button (LiveView button), take your shot then lower the mirror by disengaging Liveview. It is assumed that MLU is used when the camera is on tripod. Liveview should present no problems. In fact, it allows one to focus more accurately for the shot in manual mode if one is doubtful about the accuracy of autofocus.  :)

If one is worried about any slight additional noise during the few seconds LiveView is activated, then I guess one has no choice but to buy a Nikon  ;D .
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 09:23:28 am »

Ray,

Perhaps you can tell me where to find the MLU button (i.e., "Liveview" button on my Canon 5D (mark I).  ???

Eric
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 10:49:09 am »

Ray,

Perhaps you can tell me where to find the MLU button (i.e., "Liveview" button on my Canon 5D (mark I).  ???

Eric


Eric,
You're not still using the 5D are you?? Jeez! Isn't it time you upgraded?  ;D
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 12:08:14 pm »

It's also on the 60D and likely other recent cameras, but at VGA resolution it's not terrible useful or interesting.

Michael
...and on the GF2?
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 12:26:39 pm »


Eric,
You're not still using the 5D are you?? Jeez! Isn't it time you upgraded?  ;D
Ray,

I'm still waiting for your check to arrive so I can upgrade.   ;D

Eric
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2010, 03:04:59 pm »

On the 1D Mark IV, when you take a shot with LiveView, the mirror comes down and back up again.  I don't understand why.  It also means there is no true "silent mode" on that body.

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2010, 03:49:16 pm »

...and on the GF2?

I suppose when Canon finally releases a mirrorless they'll include MLU whether the camera needs it or not. Just their style and just for spite.  :)

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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2010, 10:15:15 pm »

Ray,

I'm still waiting for your check to arrive so I can upgrade.   ;D

Eric

Aw! Shucks! Eric, the 5D MkII is only half the price you would have paid for the 5D; at least it is in Australia. Go on! Spoil yourself!  ;D . Those who are passionate about photography should be prepared to make scarifices  ;D .
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 11:00:49 pm »

I notice  in another thread on the GH2 at  http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=49301.0
Chris Sanderson has discovered that the jello effect is less noticeable when shooting video in the ETC mode.
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Re: GH2 Extra-Teleconverter
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2010, 03:49:42 am »

...and on the GF2?
I suppose when Canon finally releases a mirrorless they'll include MLU whether the camera needs it or not. Just their style and just for spite.  :)

Michael
Thanks, Michael.

I was wondering if the Panasonic GF2, which, I believe is a mirror-less GH2, will have the Extra-Tele facility.  ...if not I might get one set of lenses and both bodies.

I Extra-tele mode with a 4/3 to Nikon adapter and my Novoflex 640mm and (Leica) 400mm I might use it for wildlife.
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