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fredjeang

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Re: Pirelli calendar 2011
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2010, 07:38:56 AM »

All this talk about KL understands fashion like no other, makes me wonder why nudity is considered fashion. ???
You are right, it is not at all.


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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2010, 02:25:59 PM »

But Pirelli has nothing to do with fashion.

If, on the other hand, you meant nudity in fashion magazines, you are forgetting that there is indeed a fashion element in body shapes. It takes a little longer than a couple of seasons to make itself felt, but it's there all right!

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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2010, 03:20:14 PM »

But Pirelli has nothing to do with fashion.

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The Pirelli calender does. How else can you explain that they hire the worlds best Fashion/Celebrity portrait photographers all these years for the calendar. Never seen an advertising or fine art, landscape/architecture photographer shoot for them.

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Re: Pirelli calendar 2011
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2010, 03:23:12 PM »

I like the Lavazza Calendars too

http://www.lavazza.com/corporate/en/lavazzastyle/calendars/2011.html



Lavazza shoots with mainly advertising photographers and sometimes a fashion photographer here and there. Their calendar promotes their brand in weird artistic ways.

You never see a pirelli logo or a tyre in their calendar.
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« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2010, 09:46:58 PM »

I like the Lavazza Calendars too

http://www.lavazza.com/corporate/en/lavazzastyle/calendars/2011.html


OMG. Those are so tacky that is not even funny.....
When I see one of them, I always wonder who is the moron picking the cheesy concepts.
enough said.
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Re: Pirelli calendar 2011
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2010, 09:50:41 PM »

The Pirelli calender does. How else can you explain that they hire the worlds best Fashion/Celebrity portrait photographers all these years for the calendar. Never seen an advertising or fine art, landscape/architecture photographer shoot for them.
Indeed they do.
Having consulted once for their team, I can assure they have a lot to do with fashion.
The people involved on the artistic side of the project, are mostly coming from the fashion industry.
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2010, 05:54:26 AM »

If I may answer both Sid and Zio at the same time: the use of fashion photographers has nothing to do with fashion; it has everything to do with the hope that a fashion photographer will understand the difference between artistic nudity/topless/semi-dressed that a simple tit'n'ass specialist might not.

It was exactly the reason why I had succes with calendars: I came from a fashion photography background and that gave the ability (or it was always there) to work with and understand women a little bit, particularly to understand femininity which is a whole lot different a thing from top-shelf magazines.

Fashion, per se, had nothing to do with it (Pirelli). It was all about attitude, and that wasn't fashion as it's understood. However, if you are willing to change your statements to 'fashion photographer biased', then I agree totally.

However, there's a caveat: many of the top fashion guys have, in my personal view, fallen flat on their faces with the Pirelli calendar; because you may have some good taste doesn't mean you can also satisfy a wider audience. It would be invidious to name names, but take a look at the latest collected sets that have been published - I have two different ones - and you will rapidly see that a zillion covers of Vogue doesn't stop you failing.

But hey, believe as the mood takes you, it's Christmas and the season for charity!

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2010, 02:24:21 PM »

As already mentioned Lagerfeld has been doing photography for a long time. I think his fashion stuff is ok while his 'art' is really crap.

Photography (with a few exceptions) is mostly about knowing what you like and what you don't like. Lagerfeld doesn't have to know the technicalities of lighting as long as he knows what kind of lighting he wants and has the right assistants who can achieve his vision. I don't think that makes him any less of a photographer.

As for the fashion vs. nude photography debate, if one looks at high end fashion magazines (not clothing/gossip mags for women) one can see that it's rarely about clothes. It's more about conveying a certain aesthetic.
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2010, 04:43:27 PM »

As already mentioned Lagerfeld has been doing photography for a long time. I think his fashion stuff is ok while his 'art' is really crap.

Photography (with a few exceptions) is mostly about knowing what you like and what you don't like. Lagerfeld doesn't have to know the technicalities of lighting as long as he knows what kind of lighting he wants and has the right assistants who can achieve his vision. I don't think that makes him any less of a photographer.As for the fashion vs. nude photography debate, if one looks at high end fashion magazines (not clothing/gossip mags for women) one can see that it's rarely about clothes. It's more about conveying a certain aesthetic. [/quote

I have great trouble with accepting the first point, if it's based on fact;
I agree with the second;
Karl couldn't give a damn what we think. Were I he, then neither would I.

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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2010, 08:30:26 PM »

I wouldn't think Karl would be where he is today if he gave a damn what anyone thinks.

He is so unique... and that is his charm.
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« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2010, 06:32:40 AM »

As already mentioned Lagerfeld has been doing photography for a long time. I think his fashion stuff is ok while his 'art' is really crap.

Photography (with a few exceptions) is mostly about knowing what you like and what you don't like. Lagerfeld doesn't have to know the technicalities of lighting as long as he knows what kind of lighting he wants and has the right assistants who can achieve his vision. I don't think that makes him any less of a photographer.As for the fashion vs. nude photography debate, if one looks at high end fashion magazines (not clothing/gossip mags for women) one can see that it's rarely about clothes. It's more about conveying a certain aesthetic.

I have great trouble with accepting the first point, if it's based on fact;
I agree with the second;
Karl couldn't give a damn what we think. Were I he, then neither would I.

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I don't know how much or how little Lagerfeld knows about the technicalities of lighting and photography. He's been doing it for close to 20 years so I'm sure he picked up a few tricks along the way. My point is that some (I said 'most' in the previous post which was probably a bit exaggerated) photography is a lot like being a movie director. A movie director has a DoP, a Gaffer, a best boy, make-up, costume designer, set designer, etc. etc. and they all get hired for their ability to achieve the directors vision. The end product is a result of everyone's effort but it's still the director's name after the "A film by". Why? Because the director made the executive creative decisions. It's the same with fashion photography. A photographer doesn't have to know anything about actually putting make-up or clothes on a model but he has to know what he likes and what he doesn't so he can give directions. The same goes for lighting and retouching. Some photographers like to do it themselves whereas others just know where to find the right people to do it for them. As long as they make the actual creative decisions it's still their work.
Fashion photography is and always has been a team sport with the photographer being the captain. Other areas of photography like reportage, documentary, landscape etc. are more like one-man sports.
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Re: Pirelli calendar 2011
« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2010, 09:41:49 AM »

Thanks for the lesson on fashion photography; I have actually done a little of it, starting in '66 and getting as far as doing several trips for British Vogue, but that was a while ago... maybe the leopard has indeed just changed its spots.

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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2010, 11:38:36 AM »

the girls are skinny with androgynous faces ... nothing for me
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« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2010, 03:28:26 PM »

the girls are skinny with androgynous faces ... nothing for me

I'm sure that Natalia Vodianova, Karolina Kurkova, Giselle Bundchen, Laetitia Casta, Heidi Klum, Naomi Campbell, Yamila Diaz-Rahi, Cindy Crawford et al would be amazed to discover they were skinny and/or had unfeminine faces.

Whatever standards or definitions you employ must be fairly unique, and if you were referring only to the current Pirelli, well, I can't say that Bianca Balti looks particularly unfeminine and Isabeli Fontana has enough calendar mileage under her narrow belt to prove her credentials too.

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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2010, 03:29:48 PM »

I mean ... Monica Bellucci is a woman  not something you are not sure
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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2010, 03:36:23 PM »

I mean ... Monica Bellucci is a woman  not something you are not sure


Yes, and so are the others I mentioned. But Monica is an actress - she might have been fooling us all, including Avedon.

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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2010, 03:37:45 PM »

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