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fredjeang

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Noctilux
« on: November 04, 2010, 06:10:46 pm »

Hi,

Does anybody here is using the Noctilux?
Field experience with that optic?

Thanks
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tom b

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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 08:18:46 pm »

A better place to ask that question would be:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com

Last time I read about the lens it seemed that they were on high rotation due to high prices (approx US$11 000 new) and very real problems of focusing due to the limited depth of field at f1 or f0.95.

It seems to be a lens that people dream about owning but have a lot of trouble getting great results with it.

Cheers,

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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2010, 10:06:58 pm »

Voigtlander (Cosina) makes a super-speed "Nokton" in various focal lengths that is under $1000 and could be a good way to see if you like that kind of lens.  It seems to me that residual camera-shake from hand-holding at the fairly slow speeds that would still often be needed for night photography would generally obscure any difference between the quality of a $1,000 lens and a $10,000 lens.  Moreover, an autofocus lens like a Canon would more precisely (or at least more quickly) get the right thing within the extremely shallow depth of field.
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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 11:14:57 pm »

i'd recommend subscribing to diglloyd.com and/or reidreviews
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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 11:15:32 am »

In my case Noctilux was the main reason to buy an M9 camera.
This one was shooted with a F/1 version. Nothing special but you can see Noctilux glow.



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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 12:17:12 pm »

Field experience with that optic?

I don't own one but just recently I had the opportunity to use the Noctilux-M 50 mm 1:0.95 Asph for half a day. My resumée at the end of the day: Fascinating, and definitely tempting—but not a must, and waaay too expensive for what it has to offer.

For both the special appliances—i. e. 1. capturing low light, and 2. creating thin depth-of-field and ultra-smooth background blur—the Summilux-M 50 mm 1:1.4 Asph works almost just as good. If under poor lighting conditions you can get the shot with f/1 or f/0.95 (which is essentially the same) then in the vast majority of cases you'll be able to get it with f/1.4 also. Shots that you can barely get with f/0.95 but are impossible to get with f/1.4 are extremely rare. And with DOF, it's just the same—at f/0.95 it's extremely narrow but at f/1.4 it's really very narrow, too. After all, the difference between f/1.4 and f/1 numerically is only one f-stop ... and between f/1.4 and f/0.95 is 1.148 f-stops, or approx. 1 + 1/7. Effectively it's even less—more like 2/3 f-stop—due to vignetting.

The vignetting at full aperture is rather strong, albeit significantly less than it used to be in the Noctilux-M 50 mm 1:1. Also the sharpness at full aperture as well as at medium apertures is better than in the older Noctilux. Still, performance at f/1.4, f/2, or f/2.8 does not fully match that of the current 50 mm Summilux Asph, Summicron, and Summarit lenses ... even though some claim otherwise. It's close, but no cigar. So at 'normal' apertures, the Noctilux-M Asph cannot really replace the other 50 mm lenses. The 'regular' 50 mm lenses are drawing with a fine-pointed pen while the Noctilux is painting with a slightly wider brush. For most pictorial applications, that doesn't need to be a disadvantage ... still that's not what I'd pay $10,000+ for.

Size and weight are substantial. The lens barrel obscures maybe 15 - 20 % of the 50 mm frame's area in the viewfinder. That's a lot but somehow you get used to it. Regarding the weight, I wasn't too tired after carrying it around for half a day. After all, I'm used to carry a DSLR with battery grip and telephoto zoom lens, and compared to that, a Leica M with a Noctilux-M Asph still is a lightweight.

It was a fascinating and enlightening (in more than one respect) experience—but I will content to sticking with the Summilux-M 50 mm Asph for the foreseeable future. Maybe when I win the lottery ...
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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 01:13:54 pm »

In my case Noctilux was the main reason to buy an M9 camera. This one was shooted with a F/1 version. Nothing special but you can see Noctilux glow.

For approximately $20,000 you can have that ... or, for a heck of a lot less you can have this:


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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 09:37:18 am »

Here´s a couple of links:

http://www.reidreviews.com/ Comparison between old an new noctilux and Cosina voigtlander 50mm f1.1 Nokton.
In he´s review he was very impressed by the resolution charts.

http://diglloyd.com/
Also a good review of the New noctilux, he also seems very impressed by it´s performance.

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2009/12/09/the-leica-50-noctilux-f-0-95-lens-review/
An non scientific review.

http://www.nanioei.com/blog/
A wedding photographer that uses the noctilux.
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fredjeang

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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2010, 09:49:38 am »

Thanks for all your repplies folks.

Cheers.
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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2010, 02:41:38 pm »

I had the f1 version and truly hated it. That 'glow' means everything is smeared up by all kind of abberations and coma. at f1 there is no real focus point anymore, just in and out of murky fog. contrast drops significantly. close focus of 1m and an extremely long focus throw makes it difficult for people photography. the weight of it makes the whole camera unbalanced. the only thing I liked about this lens is that i had it for two or three months and made 300$ by selling it. I didn't make one single image with this lens which I felt  good enough to go into my keepers folder, and I tried. even more: I wish some of the picture i have taken with it were done with the summilux.

the 50lux asph is a way better lens, if you can get your hand on it.
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fredjeang

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Re: Noctilux
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 03:26:30 pm »

Yes, this is a very controvertial lens. To me what he gives does not justify the scandalous price. It seems that the 0.95 version improoved a lot on the aspects you mentionned. The bokeh is absolutly stunning I must say but that's all and it's probably more a collector's glass.
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