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Snook

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Recommendation for good DSLRHD forums or sites..?
« on: October 19, 2010, 04:58:18 pm »

Just wondering if anybody has a good list of DSLRHD sites or forums..?
Seeing how this one is a little slow and not many topics, maybe someone could recommend some good sites to surf through on my spare time..
And yes I know about www.cinema5d.com
Thanks
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Re: Recommendation for good DSLRHD forums or sites..?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 01:38:48 am »

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 11:04:28 am »

there is also DVXUser

What Im learning (www.dslrs4real.tv) is that stills photographers may have a different set of requirements/expectiations/STANDARDS

I think the C5d crowd are still learning and not analysing or shooting enough to know a lot

The board is quiet here but ask away

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 10:41:14 am »

Thanks Morgan... the site you posted does seem to work it is down?
Thanks again for the info..
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 03:04:40 am »

I cant spell DSLR!

www.dslr4real.tv

Seriously I think you need to learn a lot yourself

I live in the boonies so bought a lot of stuff blind

if you can borrow gear that will help

but most of all you need to learn WHAT you are trying to shoot WHY and HOW

you can learn basic shooting cutting with a flip camera or $200 handycam

The HOW is important, Im learning to pretty much shoot live events or at least direct action close to real time, meaning Im natural light and handheld a lot

Also I am alone on shoots or maybe have one assistant

That means no 20Ft dolly track or crane for me

20 Ft of Dolly track or a crane can be the right thing for someone else

WHAT do you think you will be shooting ?

Im a little confused by VLF who seems to have just become a DP, meaning that he is putting his business offer in direct competition with other more experienced DPs, also getting a crew that is just a regular film crew with regular budgets

I think we photographers need to find what we do and how and make it unique to drive our businesses forwards

This is where I have got to since late_08 you will see that not only am I presenting shots but short 'sequences' in my REEL

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Re: Recommendation for good DSLRHD forums or sites..?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 03:32:29 am »

On mixing stills with motion fashion and models (as you seem to specialise in that)

I have found that shooting motion has affected my stills in a positive manner

Im constructing my shoots in a more story like manner

A 'story' can be very short like  http://www.ericknorpp.com/content/0022_large.html the 'story' of that shot could be him looking at the waves, walking to the water, attaching his leash and running into the sea, you see a shot list is building

I would do the stills then shoot the same story at the same time

One thing I think is hard to replicate with video is that heavy flash retouched look, video lights that compete with the sun cost

this page you can see a video I shot and some stills from the same day, its all for a surfwear company, the video was a test
http://www.sammorganmoore.com/smmcom/blogger2.asp?blogid=60


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Re: Recommendation for good DSLRHD forums or sites..?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 05:23:04 am »

www.dslr4real.tv
Er, hardly a great resource. A lot of uninformed anonymous rambling by someone who doesn't seem to have a clue.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 05:26:44 am »

its mine - thought that was clear

criitque away -what do I not have a clue about, I openly admit to being a stills photographer learning 'motion' and considering its implications and place in my business, ( I have made a mid level living from stills for 15+ years)

Im generally considered a little ahead on that curve, but not a full fledged videographer yet, the blog charts that journey and hopes to speed it for others

how many projects have you shot with a DSLR - fancy linking to any of them or even dropping your own anon status ?

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 09:35:11 am »

its mine - thought that was clear
No, the site is totally anonymous, no authoring credit at all.
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criitque away -what do I not have a clue about,
Ok. The last posting ‘economics’;
You’d prefer the extra person to a director/journalist that then does sound ?
Firstly you’ve misunderstood, or are simple ignorant of, an important difference with a “crew” there are the technical crew (cameras/sound/lighting/DITs etc), creatives(art director/scene hands/chippies/make up/costume etc) and production (director/journalist/PA/Producer etc). Even on a very small crew that remains an important distinction and the relationship between the production and the other departments is best  thought of as client/supplier, not as part of 'the crew’. On a small shoot you might well get the director to help carry some kit between set ups, but asking them to look after the sound is a no no.
Sound is simply far too important to be left to non-specialists.

How about ‘Gear - when to stop’ ?
The opening line sums it up; “All the gear, no idea” and you explain well why that’s true.
I guess you’ve never actually seen a Technocrane, let alone used one.

or ‘Peaking’
You’ve clearly not used any serious cameras that do have proper viewfinders with peaking options. They are absolutely invaluable, but you do need to know how to use it properly. On an HDC300 with a HDVF-EL100 viewfinder there are about 15 different parameters you need to understand to set the viewfinder peaking up appropriately.

I won’t go on, but just add that poor spelling, punctuation and grammar rarely impress clients.
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how many projects have you shot with a DSLR - fancy linking to any of them or even dropping your own anon status ?
If you can be bothered to look at my profile, the place where people should put their personal details, you’ll see the link to my web site and my full CV with respect to working with video kit. Some of the programmes mentioned there have had supplemental material used from my 5D, but it’s always covered by NDAs. Not every client wants to be associated with shooting on low end kit.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 10:08:53 am »

All constructive comments, sorry to miss your profile

The old school and new school collide!

We/I am talking about integrating video into the business of a mid level corporate or journalistic stills photographer, probably by learning the skill of shooting web clips in the nature of 3 mins or less as a new skill or an addition to a photo shoot
(http://dslr4real.tv/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=6&Itemid=1)

Im not talking about how TV/Features are made

No, the site is totally anonymous, no authoring credit at all.Ok.

fair enough the design is 'under construction'

The last posting ‘economics’;
You’d prefer the extra person to a director/journalist that then does sound ?
Firstly you’ve misunderstood, or are simple ignorant of, an important difference with a “crew” there are the technical crew (cameras/sound/lighting/DITs etc), creatives(art director/scene hands/chippies/make up/costume etc) and production (director/journalist/PA/Producer etc). Even on a very small crew that remains an important distinction and the relationship between the production and the other departments is best  thought of as client/supplier, not as part of 'the crew’. On a small shoot you might well get the director to help carry some kit between set ups, but asking them to look after the sound is a no no.
Sound is simply far too important to be left to non-specialists.


Im am learning video from a BBC VJ who directs shoots and edits and does sound - total solo operator as are a lot of lower end corp video shooters and still shooters

My suggestion or thought is that rather than learning to be a 'total solo operator' that teaming up with a journalist/director (person of new unknown title - part of MY team) who can do sound and interviews is a good thing, while doubling the hourly rate for the client I think it would provide better value to the client because more would be done faster and better

How about ‘Gear - when to stop’ ?
The opening line sums it up; “All the gear, no idea” and you explain well why that’s true.
I guess you’ve never actually seen a Technocrane, let alone used one.


My suggestion is that the photographer should learn to shoot, probably basic set ups with sticks and maybe handheld before going down the gear route and buying all the sliders and suchlike chatted about on the fora like C5d

Learning to shoot is more important owning fancy gear especially fancy gear that is hard to move without a crew, who must be paid for which make the business offer less competitive or profitable

Technochrane - I was joking  - but yes I have been involved set (as stills tog) where one was used, it was the new attenbro sky 3d thing 2XRED - it is of course the last thing a still photographer shooting some video will probably ever use

or ‘Peaking’
You’ve clearly not used any serious cameras that do have proper viewfinders with peaking options. They are absolutely invaluable, but you do need to know how to use it properly. On an HDC300 with a HDVF-EL100 viewfinder there are about 15 different parameters you need to understand to set the viewfinder peaking up appropriately.


I dont know those cameras but I guess they are 2/3 chip, I use peaking on my Sony EX1 but suggest that it is fairly useless when shooting a S35 or FF35 chip DSLR camera at wider apertures that the low budget minimal lighting shooter will be using

I believe that operating a vista vision or S35 camera without a focus puller was virutally unheard of before DSLRs so suggest that many people with a (1/3 or 2/3) video background dont know jack about pulling focus on a DSLR

This thread (and my site) are about DSLR shooting

I can assure you that a 7d with a 720p SmallHD will enable you to evaluate focus far more effectively than a 480p marshal with peaking (or the shortly to be released EVFs) which is the main rival monitor in the sub $1000 DSLR monitor market

Its good to talk, the most interesting thing is that (and I am sorry to jack Erics thread) one must enter the world of motion (from stills photography) with a clear idea of why/what one is doing or trying to create, im not making movies or suchlike Im developing a skill for web clips - I guess many still photographers are in the same boat because that is what our clients want

have a look at my solo operator DLSR reel and have a think about whether I am clueless with these cameras or whether still photographers can bring strong images to lo budget productions that will change the way everything is done

Maybe Eric would elaborate on what he is trying to create and we can advise using our different knowledge bases; mine as a stills photographer expanding his business by shooting motion with a DSLR and you with your extensive and admirable production experience

SMM

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 12:04:32 pm »

Morgan thanks for your comments...
By the way I really like your videos you have done..
Not sure what the other poster is aggressive about...
Nice work..
Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 12:24:35 pm »

Well he works on big TV productions and does know 'how it is supposed to be done'

Which is that same as saying a 'photo shoot' must involve 10 Elly lights 3 assistants and a MUA, and tethered P45 , and that roaming with a D3 and a 50 is not a 'photo shoot'

Ive been playing a lot with my DSLRs and am learning 'a way' of doing it

my way is a sort of middle ground , farily low profile but still serious in terms of 'client pleasing' - having enough batteries to go all day, a solution for seeing in the sun  etc - not super cheap and maybe a little above the average C5der who seems to have time and free assistants to make his indy films

what do you want to get from filming ?

SMM

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Re: Recommendation for good DSLRHD forums or sites..?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2010, 12:14:29 am »

http://philipbloom.net is a very good blog about shooting video on DSLRs
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2010, 11:19:49 am »

Indeed but you need to learn to read between the lines

of course depends on what you want to do and how

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 01:01:39 pm »

I second www.dslr4real.tv. Another good resource for shooting on DSLRs and other digital cameras systems is www.thehdblog.net/
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