I haven't shot the RED yet, mean to, put one on hold, then just get on with the 5d/7d and it works either on the sticks or shoulder mount/hand held.
A lot of the reason is every time I think I'll shoot the RED, the project is held to the last minute, then we're off and running with no time to go through another learning curve.
Regardless, what I'm using is working and as you know motion is such a different look than stills. What looks kind of soft and blurred in a motion still looks great once it's moving.
I'm all for the tungsten part, on any digital camera and have used tungsten since the 1ds one. I've heard, read seen the stuff about the blue channel and all those technical chart comparisons, but pretty is pretty and I think digital looks a lot less digital with tungsten than any other source, still or motion, but as you say and I've always believed, the camera is not THAT important.
Yes these forums do seem to repeat themselves and really since the last Photokina, there hasn't been much to talk about that is new and ground breaking, except the economics of our industry (which nobody talks about in public) and probably how the 5d has supplanted 75% of still and motion work as the go to camera, at least if you shoot people.
I think a lot of the gear talk comparison comes from the fact that there are a lot of dealers and a few people connected to dealers that use every thread possible as a segway into selling their product. I think if Michael could charge just $10 for every posted signature that offers 10% off some software or mentions some special/seminar/sales presentation, he probably could buy another new place in Mexico.
If I wrote that last line on one of the Leica, Phase, Nikon threads there would be two dozen reprisals, but up here in this part of the section the dealers and dealer's friends seem to stay away. I guess there is nothing to sell in the pro business discussion.
Anyway, thanks for the reply.
M sensor. We were in line for M-X, then we lost our place, now back on the horse. This was our fault. By "our" I mean my partner who has physical custody.
I'm comfy with 800, better at 640 or 500. I like to over expose by a stop. I thought the M-X we tested was really nice up to 1250/1600. The MX really is much better than the M.
Funny you should ask about frame pulls being printed, as I was just bitching about this yesterday: No, nothing printed on a web press. Lots of web stills, but the reality is for print, clients choose the stills shot with stills cameras, be it 4x5, M8, 1ds3 or D3x.
As to skin tones, its still a digital camera, so lighting and grading is really important. The Red M sensor likes unfiltered tungsten sources best, at least our Red does. Skin has a film like sharpness to it, sharp but not PHASE 3.7 sharp. The files are just pretty.
I like the skin tones from the Sony ex3 the best, as long as the scene is lit. Really amazing stuff. Looks like A900 files after being retouched.
As an aside, I'm starting to really, really like the 7D and 5D2. We block scenes and shoot it with the Red or on Kodak and then we do a number of takes where I shoot it with the the 5D or 7D. Just a different response from the actors, they are both more and less conscious of the camera, it takes them out of their comfort zone, as they are being filmed from different angles than from rehearsal and you can get rather close. Its really great, even if only to get a better performance out the actors.
I've been absent from the web for a while, its been really nice. When I checked in here recently I found the same measurbating BS and personality disorder windbags that made me pack my bags. I realized the less I looked at this forum the less I care about gear. Its liberating.