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« on: April 16, 2010, 05:52:24 pm »

I had Moab custom make Lasal Matte 10"x12" that was drilled and scored. (2300 sheets)  It never occured to me that a printer that can print boarderless prints both lager and smaller could not print that size. Needless to say I am a complete neophyte when it comes to all aspects of printing and color management.

I have solved my problem (somewhat) because the Epson R2880 can print 12"x12" boarderless. So I am printing horizontally making the canvas 12", but the photo is actually only 9.25" (I only need a bleed on 3 sides)

Is there another printer out there than can do what I need? Especially one like the 4880 with large ink cartridges. Will I need a RIP to make it work?

I have called a variety of printer resellers and RIP developers and nobody can give me a strait answer.

Can anyone?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 06:27:03 pm »

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I had Moab custom make Lasal Matte 10"x12" that was drilled and scored. (2300 sheets)  It never occured to me that a printer that can print boarderless prints both lager and smaller could not print that size. Needless to say I am a complete neophyte when it comes to all aspects of printing and color management.

I have solved my problem (somewhat) because the Epson R2880 can print 12"x12" boarderless. So I am printing horizontally making the canvas 12", but the photo is actually only 9.25" (I only need a bleed on 3 sides)

Is there another printer out there than can do what I need? Especially one like the 4880 with large ink cartridges. Will I need a RIP to make it work?

I have called a variety of printer resellers and RIP developers and nobody can give me a strait answer.

Can anyone?

The Epson printers can only print borderless to set sizes - there are no borderless options for custom page sizes.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 06:44:18 pm »

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The Epson printers can only print borderless to set sizes - there are no borderless options for custom page sizes.


Tech support at Epson said they would with a RIP. I have a dealer whose tech dept is going to do a test, there a lead time on it though. I was hoping somebody else had cracked this nut.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 06:53:37 pm »

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Tech support at Epson said they would with a RIP. I have a dealer whose tech dept is going to do a test, there a lead time on it though. I was hoping somebody else had cracked this nut.

A RIP can make it do anything they want, but understand that the printers physically have been designed to support borderless printing at specific dimensions - ie they have absorbent material at those points to deal with overspray.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 08:08:49 pm »

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A RIP can make it do anything they want, but understand that the printers physically have been designed to support borderless printing at specific dimensions - ie they have absorbent material at those points to deal with overspray.


Meaning that if the sponges dont absorb excess ink it might gum up the printer or foul up the prints?  I only need a bleed on 3 sides. So If a printer can print a bleed on 12" roll paper it should be fine, right? Or does it make 2 cuts, before ink on paper and after?
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 03:03:35 am »

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Meaning that if the sponges dont absorb excess ink it might gum up the printer or foul up the prints?  I only need a bleed on 3 sides. So If a printer can print a bleed on 12" roll paper it should be fine, right? Or does it make 2 cuts, before ink on paper and after?

Yeah, excess ink could end up in bad places.  Also note that whilst RIPs can do whatever they want, they do typically adhere to standards set by the vendor as part of the program that provides them with support.  That means that most won't actually break from this restriction.

Roll borderless - depends on what you want to do.  You want to print 9.25" x 9.25" is that right?  On canvas?  I'm not quite sure why, but I'll assume you have good reasons :-)  Basically, you will get edge to edge borderless but not top to bottom.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2010, 03:37:17 am »

The 4880 and iPF5100 can only print borderless on the sides.  There is no area for the ink to go printing borderless on the leading and trailing edges.  They can do borderless on rolls because they print with a border on the leading and trailing edges then cut the border off with the on board cutter.

A quick look at the 4880 specs and it looks like it will print edge to edge on sheets but not end to end.

Edge-to-edge / Borderless
Roll media / Cut sheet Both edge-to-edge and full bleed* for the following media widths: 8"*,10", 12",
14", 16", 17", 210 mm, 257 mm, 300 mm, 329 mm, 400 mm, 420 mm
Top and bottom edges can be automatically cut to any length

the canon will not print edge to edge on sheets, only rolls.

Borderless Printing Width (Roll Media Only)
10" (254 mm), B4 (257 mm), A3+ (329 mm), 14" (356 mm), 16" (407 mm), A2 (420 mm), A2+/17" (432 mm)

You should be able to use the 3880 the same as the 2880 with the page set up so you can print on your 10" x 12" paper.  Or with the 4880 on 10" or 12" rolls and the iPF5100 on 10" rolls.  Also remember you will have some curl to deal with using the rolls.

If you printing with the borderless option turned off on the 2880 you have to remember that the image gets enlarged slightly to allow for the overspray so if needed exact image sizes you would have to adjust your image size smaller to account for the enlargement.

Also remember that the 4880, iPF5100 can print down to 8x10 sheet paper (you can cheat that size a little), the 3880 will print down to 4x6.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 05:23:43 pm »

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The 4880 and iPF5100 can only print borderless on the sides.  There is no area for the ink to go printing borderless on the leading and trailing edges.  They can do borderless on rolls because they print with a border on the leading and trailing edges then cut the border off with the on board cutter.

A quick look at the 4880 specs and it looks like it will print edge to edge on sheets but not end to end.

Edge-to-edge / Borderless
Roll media / Cut sheet Both edge-to-edge and full bleed* for the following media widths: 8"*,10", 12",
14", 16", 17", 210 mm, 257 mm, 300 mm, 329 mm, 400 mm, 420 mm
Top and bottom edges can be automatically cut to any length

the canon will not print edge to edge on sheets, only rolls.

Borderless Printing Width (Roll Media Only)
10" (254 mm), B4 (257 mm), A3+ (329 mm), 14" (356 mm), 16" (407 mm), A2 (420 mm), A2+/17" (432 mm)

You should be able to use the 3880 the same as the 2880 with the page set up so you can print on your 10" x 12" paper.  Or with the 4880 on 10" or 12" rolls and the iPF5100 on 10" rolls.  Also remember you will have some curl to deal with using the rolls.

If you printing with the borderless option turned off on the 2880 you have to remember that the image gets enlarged slightly to allow for the overspray so if needed exact image sizes you would have to adjust your image size smaller to account for the enlargement.

Also remember that the 4880, iPF5100 can print down to 8x10 sheet paper (you can cheat that size a little), the 3880 will print down to 4x6.

Tony B.


I cant use roll paper. I already had the paper custom made 10"x12" with a 1" boarder that has been scored and drilled. I am making portfolios, well printing them anyway (Brewer & Cantelmo are making the shells) for my wife, who is a commercial photographer. So I need to print over the score line 1/4"-1/8" and it has to bleed on 3 sides. I can do it with the Epson r2880, not the most efficient printer, but it will work.

In  the past we have done iris and other types of printing, but that runs $40,000 $50,000 for books for both of her agents.

I am photo editor, art buyer, producer type. Prepress/ color managment is not my thing....  

I got to say I am learning a lot, custom icc profiles, custom calibration of eizo monitor creating a new target based on paper readings in a light booth etc, etc

The test prints are looking good.




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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 06:00:18 pm »

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I cant use roll paper. I already had the paper custom made 10"x12" with a 1" boarder that has been scored and drilled. I am making portfolios, well printing them anyway (Brewer & Cantelmo are making the shells) for my wife, who is a commercial photographer. So I need to print over the score line 1/4"-1/8" and it has to bleed on 3 sides. I can do it with the Epson r2880, not the most efficient printer, but it will work.

In  the past we have done iris and other types of printing, but that runs $40,000 $50,000 for books for both of her agents.

I am photo editor, art buyer, producer type. Prepress/ color managment is not my thing....  

I got to say I am learning a lot, custom icc profiles, custom calibration of eizo monitor creating a new target based on paper readings in a light booth etc, etc

The test prints are looking good.

According to the epson 3800 faq, it can print 10"x12" borderless : 3800 faq, borderless
I suppose the epson 3880 is probably the same, but that's something you can check.

The inkt for the epson 3800/3880 is a lot less expensive.  

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 06:31:46 pm »

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According to the epson 3800 faq, it can print 10"x12" borderless : 3800 faq, borderless
I suppose the epson 3880 is probably the same, but that's something you can check.

The inkt for the epson 3800/3880 is a lot less expensive.  

Alain

The 3880 does support 10x12"

http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/...tml/print_4.htm
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 08:09:52 pm »

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The 3880 does support 10x12"

http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/...tml/print_4.htm



That is great. The ink for the 2880 is $1.06/ml vs $0.62/ml for the 3880. Since I am printing about 3400 sheets it will pay for the 3880 and save a pretty penny as well. I will go buy one on monday.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 08:10:10 pm »

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The 3880 does support 10x12"

http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/...tml/print_4.htm



That is great. The ink for the 2880 is $1.06/ml vs $0.62/ml for the 3880. Since I am printing about 3400 sheets it will pay for the 3880 and save a pretty penny as well. I will go buy one on monday. Thanks a bunch!
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2010, 11:22:16 am »

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The 3880 does support 10x12"

http://support2.epson.net/manuals/english/...tml/print_4.htm

The European version supports 10"x12" boarderless, the North American version does not!

Epson markets inferior products in NA for reasons unknown. Tech support at Epson just blurted that out.

Nothing is easy.

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2010, 11:45:26 am »

Version 6.5 driver for my 3800 supports 10" x 12" borderless printing. BTW, the original spec sheet of the 3800 says it does NOT support 13" x 19" borderless. When the 3880 came out, the spec sheet says it DOES support 13" x 19" borderless. The first print I made when I got my refurb 3800 was 13" x 19" - borderless. No problem. Go figure.
It is hard to imagine that Epson would bother to issue two drivers that limited functionality of the 3880 in North America, but I guess it is possible.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2010, 12:21:22 pm »

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Version 6.5 driver for my 3800 supports 10" x 12" borderless printing. BTW, the original spec sheet of the 3800 says it does NOT support 13" x 19" borderless. When the 3880 came out, the spec sheet says it DOES support 13" x 19" borderless. The first print I made when I got my refurb 3800 was 13" x 19" - borderless. No problem. Go figure.
It is hard to imagine that Epson would bother to issue two drivers that limited functionality of the 3880 in North America, but I guess it is possible.


6.5 is for windows, right? Will your 3880 print 10"x12" boarderless? Or just the 3800? The Spec sheet for the 3800 says:

Borderless Photo Sizes 4 in x 6 in , 5 in x 7 in , 8 in x 10 in , 11 in x 14 in , 16 in x 20 in , ANSI C (17 in x 22 in).
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2010, 12:43:05 pm »

I'm not near my printer - 3800 by the way - but it does print 13 x 19 borderless. I'll try 10 x 12 when I get home.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2010, 12:43:07 pm »

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6.5 is for windows, right? Will your 3880 print 10"x12" boarderless? Or just the 3800? The Spec sheet for the 3800 says:

Borderless Photo Sizes 4 in x 6 in , 5 in x 7 in , 8 in x 10 in , 11 in x 14 in , 16 in x 20 in , ANSI C (17 in x 22 in).


I just got off the phone with Epson advanced tech support. The 3880 will support 10"x12" boarderless printing. The tech guy said that when they come out with new models sometimes they cut and paste info from old spec sheets. So when I called sales support they said it would not print 10"x12". It is kind of scary.
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